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Offline Baal

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Re: Whoremaster: Wherein Jonwich is a Very Bad Man
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2015, 03:59:41 AM »
Glad you're feeling better! I eagerly await whatever gets into the new update. Thanks for the update!

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Re: Whoremaster: Wherein Jonwich is a Very Bad Man
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2015, 01:54:52 PM »
Another quick update, folks. I'm going to do a release of some sort tonight, either way. It's been a month since I was planning a release, so I'm going to get ~something~ out there at least.

Since my last post I've updated the cow/milker jobs as planned, and also Head Girl and Farm Manager. By tonight I plan on having the Slave Market scenes done, and hopefully the Matron job. If I really get on a roll I might make the House Cook job a personal urinal job, though that's probably pushing it.

So going forward (future updates), I've been kind of thinking I might tweak some of the Community Service jobs that way too, and maybe tweak the outcomes so that it ~lowers~ disposition instead. After all, this is you being a Very Bad Man. I'd likely be turning the Community Service job into something like a Public Restroom job, and the feed the poor job into something similar to what it is now, only with the girls bringing hobos and addicts food and then "serving" them while they eat. The counseling would probably remain the same for now, though I'd probably do scenes with a bit of a darker methodology. I'm also looking at the Clinic jobs because with the item tweaks I've been doing to the mod's items (still need to do a couple more, actually) it will be more important to go through typical channels for things like breast enlargement, something that would be useful if you enjoyed the new cow and milker and farm scenes. I also was thinking it might be cool to do a studio job making commercials for your "brand" milk, but I don't yet have something there that I want to alter, because I actually would like to add scenes for all those jobs instead. There's not really anything there that I don't use. I'm also thinking of enabling the Ponygirl job Crazy put in for testing the systems he worked so hard on with the Puppygirl job. It's really meant, I think, for something between a cross of training ponygirls to move them on to other pony-related jobs, and possibly for use with the player's personal stable, but I'd like to see how I'd write evil scenes for it, so you guys might get that too (Good practice for the main mod, because I love the idea of jobs specifically for trained ponygirls!). Still thinking heavily on the Beast Carer job, because I agree it would be nice to make it relevant, even if only through text-candy.

Anyone have any new ideas I might consider for this or future updates? I'm all ears, guys. Though keep in mind, all I'm really doing is altering text and occasionally image types and other very mild changes, so try to keep it within that spectrum, yeah?

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And updated! Be sure to read the changelog and install instructions and the like before downloading and testing, and for fucks sake, back up your old game! (Serious, back it up. I love you guys, don't make your life harder than it already is.)

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Awesome! Gonna go try it out.

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First of all I'd like to express my gratitude for all the work you've been doing so far. Although the game continues to be developed,  the writing has been stagnant for a long time now. So your contributions  improve it a great deal.

Nevertheless I'll dare to offer some suggestions:

-A semen urinal job (where the girl is used to empty sperm inside, instead of as a literal toilet). This job uses the group image tags, has very large customer count, and greatly increases chances for girls to get STDs and mind broken/mind fucked traits.
-Removal of the BDSM tag assigned to slave girls in free time. IMO it should just default to profile. This is because many BDSM pictures depict a sex act, which is a little strange if the girl isn't engaging in any, or if her status is virgin. Instead I think it would be better to introduce  a new picture tag "Slave" for girls in a bonded, neutral position. 
-Arena sex scenes. If girl loses in "fight beasts" she will be set for a beast scene, if she loses a cage match, she gets to be used by the audience (randomly picked group, les or sex)
-Gang sex toy. Girl gets to be roughly fondled by your hired gangs. Nevertheless this is damaging to her physical health, but breaks in disobedience fast.
-Defloration events for escort job. Right now it seems that a virgin will never participate in vanilla sex during escorting missions (if you want her to put out, you have to manually break her in first).  Of course that's a privilege I want to have the choice to  leave to the customer(s).
« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 10:59:06 AM by teitogun »

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Great suggestions man!

I've considered not a semen urinal job, before, but instead two similar jobs: Public Bukkake Fixture (could turn into some lines for Whoring as well) and Ambulatory Blowjob Dispenser (Meaning each day she's taken to a different part of the city, locked into place, and then guys wherever they are, could be the mayor's office, could be Church, could be in front of a shop, etc. pay to fuck her mouth). Your idea sounds a lot like my idea for a Public Bukkake Fixture. Neither of these are likely to happen soon simply because they might require me changing jobs a bit more, and I'm just working on text. I can change a lot about a job, but haven't come to a point yet where I can change the name, which is why I've restricted my new jobs (so far) to Human Urinal jobs in the Customer Service and Community Service jobs. I'll probably fiddle and figure it out, or ask Crazy at some point.  He doesn't give himself and his coding enough credit, I'd be lost without him as far as this stuff goes. I think the crux of it is some of the things might need to be changed in more than one file. If that's not the case, I might be able to do some dirty editing. We'll see mate, because I really like the ideas.

I hear ya on the profiles pictures. I'd really enjoy having a Slave picture tag, and I'll ask Crazy and Joey next time they get to adding picture tags. They did just add several, and I believe there are some on the back burner that are specific tags for Puppygirls and Ponygirls. About the only thing I could do without the added image types is kind of a jury rigged system: Take one sex act that we don't hardly see at all anyway (or at least I don't) like Footjob, and simply designate that as the "slave" picture, and have people manually update their folders. That sounds like a lot of work for a lot of people, so I'm going to think long and hard before considering anything like that.

The Arena scenes you describe I think partially work. I know the Beast Scene does, not sure if there is no image tag or something. Either way, I do have plans to do something like that, but it's going to wait a while, simply because the Arena isn't really my top priority (yet). I hardly ever use it, or even buy it, though that could change based on me putting content into it that I enjoy. There are so many areas that I want to work on content for.

Gang Sex Toy is a great job idea, and one that I'd discussed previously with Crazy, but in a different way. Crazy and I have talked about updating the Dungeon on a few occasions to make it function differently. Right now it functions different than ANY building, which makes it more complex, and Crazy wanted to look into modifying it. The current options are really just hold girls and customers, torture them, forced options from the details screen, branding. The idea is that we'd like to have more functionality. What if there were actual options, like humiliation training, bondage training, sex training, gang duty, special customer services. It might be impossible to do with the current dungeon, Crazy is going to check. I suggested a simpler solution that isn't yet off the table: Make it a new building. You could make the dungeon a sort of holding area for the different buildings itself, and then we could have, say, a Training Compound of some time with a variety of "jobs/punishments", a manager job, maybe a Mistress job for the girls that take care of the day-to-day humiliations and beatings, maybe a branding area, maybe an office that specifically deals with how girls become slaves/livestock/etc. (I've advocated, and you can see it a bit in my mod, that perhaps slavery and the like are legal, but you have to go through legal or illegal channels to get a girl registered, so there could be court scenes, or scenes with a politician or something, or scenes with a corrupt judge/city guardsman, document forging and placement into records, etc) Another thing we've talked about, and this one is waaaaaaay out there, it might never happen, but it'd be cool to turn the girl into a sort of... item, or award. What if, for example, you could GIVE a slave or puppy or something to a gang, permanently, and have scenes with the girl in the game pop up in that gang's feed every or every other week? What if you could award your free Management/Doctor-types/free-postitions/trusted slaves with a personal "pet" or slave for their own use, as an "item" that could be taken away, and scenes between them did the same? Like I said, it's waaaaaaay the fuck out there, but it's something to think about. In the meantime, I do like the idea of a Gang Sex Toy, I'll try to keep in mind a way to do it. Maybe I can add some scenes temporarily to the Torturer that would do it.

I don't remember if the escort job as a defloration event. I'll have to check. There ~could~ be a bug there if you never get it, but it could also be a stat thing. I noticed when testing the Escort job (I don't usually use it) that it's more like a Date Night job than a Whoring job, which is something similar to real life, but without the expectation of sex. Consequently, there were a few stats that guided a girl deciding whether or not to have sex, and it took fucking forever for me to realize that I had to beef the hell out of the girls stats to get her to even consider sex. It's possible that a virgin check was put in but a scene wasn't written. I'll check when I can. I'll probably ask Crazy or Lyje what the plan is there, because in my own Evil version, if I play with the escort job, it's much more likely to become a Rent-A-Cunt job, or something like that. It's not high on my list, but I'd not really considered it. Now that I have, I might hop into it sometime, but I still have a lot of other areas I want to tackle first. Thanks for the ideas man!


Also of note: I still haven't sorted out getting part of the Cow scenes to change from unhappy at being a cow to accepting to straight up knowing she was meant to be a cow and being well behaved. I might try something next update, though, that makes the second generation cows better. I tended to have a 12 week period on pregnancy and again on growing up. Not really realistic, but when you're micro-managing a brothel with that many buildings and aspects and girls and whatnot, time is relative. If it doesn't feel like the game is moving much, I'd get bored. Besides, Crossgate, so, y'know, magic and shit. ANYWAY, I'm going to try something to make the next generation of cows happier: I plan on increasing the price of the original Cow stuff, and changing the descriptions a bit. Then I plan on a second set specifically for second generation cows based on the assumption that the girls that grow up as cows or at least knowing they're already legally registered won't need items that give them the same traits and statuses. The second set won't register them, because they are already registered, but it will be a lot cheaper (not considered enchanted) and instead of adding max hatred stuff, it will add love and happiness and stuff. I'll test that for a while and see how it goes, and I'll let you know if I update the items! Expect ponygirl items too for the next major update, because I still will probably trot out that test job and fill in the text. I'm working on the Community Service (Public Urinals) job now, because I'd like a good way to make you lose disposition.

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at first: I'm glad that you are better, would be bad having christmas with a aching head.

to your last post:
wow cool stuff you wrote there Jonwich. Would be great if you could add some of this into the game. I nearly regret it to have set nearly no importance to my programmingskills during my time as a IT-specialist

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My Christmas is looking further and further up. I finally sold my old car today and my all-time favorite model is looking at making me a unique poster and selling me the outfit she wears in it. Now I just have to hope for good news from the neurologist today!

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-Removal of the BDSM tag assigned to slave girls in free time. IMO it should just default to profile. This is because many BDSM pictures depict a sex act, which is a little strange if the girl isn't engaging in any, or if her status is virgin. Instead I think it would be better to introduce  a new picture tag "Slave" for girls in a bonded, neutral position. 
Idk if jon changed something but that shouldnt be the case.
-Arena sex scenes. If girl loses in "fight beasts" she will be set for a beast scene, if she loses a cage match, she gets to be used by the audience (randomly picked group, les or sex)
Should already happen if the girl loses to the beast and u dont have the beast restriction on the beast should get to have his way with the girl.. Cage match dont do anything like this but its an idea
-Gang sex toy. Girl gets to be roughly fondled by your hired gangs. Nevertheless this is damaging to her physical health, but breaks in disobedience fast.
I want to make gangs more involved in breaking girls at some point but dont know when it will happen.
-Defloration events for escort job. Right now it seems that a virgin will never participate in vanilla sex during escorting missions (if you want her to put out, you have to manually break her in first).  Of course that's a privilege I want to have the choice to  leave to the customer(s).
I want to add more control over this kinda thing and at that point a girl would get to choose but its low on my list.. One thing that could happen is slave will never have vanilla if she is a virgin where a free girl might as it would be her choice.

As far as adding new jobs Jon give me a list of what u want to add and Ill look at setting them up for u and then u can just add text to them.  Im also going look at setting up the film jobs so u can add in good and evil text for the main mod.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 05:28:14 PM by crazy »

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Idk if jon changed something but that shouldnt be the case.

Yeah, I did. For this version since it focuses on an evil run and slavery and the like, I switched the free time tag to BDSM, because it worked better with the generic Free Time I was giving the girls. (I need to rewrite it a little as is, when I remember. It was really more of a placeholder, like some of the other text I've added and then updated over time.

As far as adding new jobs Jon give me a list of what u want to add and Ill look at setting them up for u and then u can just add text to them.  Im also going look at setting up the film jobs so u can add in good and evil text for the main mod.

Will do man! I'll have to get back to you soon, probably after Christmas. I want to collect my thoughts and make a realistic plan and set of ideas, and I'm still way behind on my Christmas stuff. My concussion is doing better, but I just got back from the doctor, still out of work for now, and my head still hurts and I get dizzy when I'm up and about for too long. I need to lay down for a bit, I still need to do some cleaning for today, make two red velvet cakes, and wrap presents for my nieces and nephews. Here's hoping I hear back about my own Christmas Gift tonight, she was checking on costs for posters and picking an outfit.

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Idk if jon changed something but that shouldnt be the case.Should already happen if the girl loses to the beast and u dont have the beast restriction on the beast should get to have his way with the girl..

This doesn't seem to work for me. Every time a girl loses a beast fight, the beast is always "caged before it can do harm to the girl" regardless of restrictions or hired gangs.

EDIT: I see what's wrong here. It appears to have to do with the girl having "virgin" status. The game prevents vaginal penetration from ever occurring, presumably because the dialogue lines haven't been coded in yet. It's the same thing with escort.

There should just be a "chastity belt" item for those who actually want this sort of thing.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 02:48:27 AM by teitogun »

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I'd actually thought the same thing, Tei. I like the idea of being able to prevent sex using a chastity belt. I don't much like the idea of going through thousands of lines of code to add a trait check on an enforced chastity status. At least right now. Definitely something to think about in the future though. I considered making my own chastity belt items, but didn't really find it workable because it wouldn't make much sense to make them and then have sex scenes and pregnancy anyway. I might be able to do a temporary workaround with making one that has the Virgin Status to try and force it, but you'd still get the scenes and pregnancy. Might divide by zero, break the game, and destroy the universe too.

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Just a quick update here, I'm currently working on updating this mod to the latest version of the game. Once that's done, I plan on getting a bit of a plan together to take to Crazy because he offered to add some template jobs for me. I've got some ideas on what I want to add, and hopefully I can keep them on the simple side. I'd like to make it simple enough that all he'd have to do roughly is add a simple job template that I can, hopefully, copy and paste new lines into in a way that I can increase variable lines with mostly just copying and pasting in the line additions. Hopefully I can get a kind of key established as well on what/how to add things in terms of changing stats or other variables. Again, I'd like to keep it as simple as I can.

To that end, are there any evil jobs you guys would like to see? What I'm looking at so far idea-wise(Keeping in mind that the corresponding "good" jobs might be simply disabled in this version):

Main Brothel Building
Human Urinal
Human Furniture
Matron's Pet
Torturer's Pet
Gang's Toy
Kennel Cunt- (Think Beast Carer, but she would put on public shows "taking care of" beasts, increasing happiness or something)
Head Stripper- (Sort of a Matron position but it would be more teaching and disciplining the strippers and peep show girls)
Glory Hole Box

Farm
Outhouse
Stable Girl- Takes care of ponies and assists with other livestock
Work Pony
Watchdog- Trained petgirl that lives on the farm
Cart Pony- (Concept of a brand named pony company called C.U.N.T.S., Crossgate United National Transport Service, gotta talk to ol' DocClox because it heavily mirror's one of his Skyrim mods)
Milk Cow Mascot- (Anyone have any good ideas on a brand name for our Milk products? This cow would be treated differently, and probably have public appearances and commercials, might have more than one mascot)
Farm Manager's Pet
Marketer's Pet
Breeding Sow- Don't have time to personally screw all your cows, or don't want livestock daughters? Now you don't have to! This would essentially be a cow-prostitution position. You'd make very little money from whoring the cows out for this one day, but they get pregnant so their output goes up.

Arena
Pony Racer
Doctore's Pet
Barrack's Cunt
Public Torture/Humiliation
Urinals
Prized Pony Show

House
Head Girl's Pet
Personal Urinal
Private Pain Toy
Private Pet? (Maybe)
Private Pony? (Maybe)
Heiress- Daughters that you, for some reason, like, would be here, living it up, learning to be an evil bitch.

Community Center
Public Bukkakke Fixture
Public Urinals
Ambulatory Blowjob Dispensers- I'd be writing about girls put in a harness or box and taken to different parts of the city where men could facefuck them for next to nothing
Fundraiser Cunt- Mostly doing various sex-related jobs such as dancing/whoring for charity, like a church or a school, or a fraternity, scholarship, or even just for you to make a personal donation of the funds.
Public Taxi- Toying with the idea of scenes of elderly or sick or poor people using a pony to get around, this one may be a no-go, it's just a concept in my head.

Clinic
Pony Ambulance
Doctor's Pet
Doctor's Personal Intern? (Similar to pet, but get's intern training, the doc just also abuses the heck out of her. Another concept I'm thinking about)
Chairmain's Pet

Studio
Director's Pet
Promoter's Pet
Brothel Mascot- Famous brothel slaves doing commercials for the brothel
Porn Mascot- Famous pornstar slaves doing commercials, possible tie in with the director or promoter's pets? Who knows.


So those are the things I'm currently looking at, things I might do some writing and thinking on to see how I'd try to make them work, what I'd like influenced, etc. It's a LOT. Because it's so much, and because I figure I'll mostly be filling in text myself and the like, and because I don't want to crush Crazy who was pretty awesome to even offer the possibility, I plan on keeping it very simple if possible.

So, if some of these things DO begin to get added specifically to this mod, what do you guys think might also go with it? Am I missing an obviously golden opportunity for a job? How do you see it working out? Do you think the "pets" for the free girls, should the really be petgirls, or more like personal slaves? Should they be allowed more than one?

The way I see the text going down would be like so:

Refusal (Punishment) (I wonder if I could do multiple possible punishment scenes, maybe even forcing a new change to a girl, like a new piercing?)

Or assuming the job gets done

1.Explanation of Job and how the girl lives or has been altered.
2.The girl doing the job, preferably based on one or two primary stats only.
3.Equipped Items Text
4. Trait Text
5. How the girl acts this shift (So text based on something like rebelliousness or hatred or something, not sure yet) Also, the shift wrap up and whatever gold or other good or bad shit happened. (By keeping this together with how the girl acts, she might be punished before the end or have a bit of a different outcome.)
6. Possible gained trait events. (Including things like piercings or  at very low chance bad things)


That's kinda where my ideas are right now, I'll be writing up things in a bit more detail and trying to get with Crazy to ask him what is doable, what isn't, how simple it might be to make it relatively painless on him to create these as templates for me. Any thoughts or ideas guys? I'd love to hear if you've got some thoughts here.
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Updated the mod to Joey's current version. I'm pretty sure I only lost a couple lines of text that I missed somewhere. Seriously, it's tough to keep track of, if for no other reason than some things are in places I wouldn't think to look. In other news, I'll have a new version in the next week I hope, assuming nothing else gets in the way. I'm also going to talk to Crazy not only about adding these jobs, but about the idea of Template writing to make things easier on him adding jobs, and easier on writers both wanting to add to current content or update current content without much knowledge in the realm of coding. If my idea isn't completely far-fetched (and realistically, it might be) we might be able to come up with a standard for some of the current, less developed jobs and new jobs. That could keep Joey and Crazy free for development and updating things in the game that might make the game smoother, adding new image types, and other things. (Joey, for example, told me one of the goals he's been chewing on for a bit is improving the GIF engine to decrease load times and make things smoother) At least, that is part of my hope. It might also make it easier to add new content both to my mod, and to the main one, and possibly get people playing around with text that never considered writing for the game before.

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To make a quick note, the current version of Crazy's mod and this doesn't work, currently the slave market doesn't function, thats the only one i've noticed, due to not being able to get far without the slave market's buying.
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