My thoughts on Crazy's Mod

[Romanul]

Since everybody has been trowing in their 2 cents I thought I might as well:

Pros:

- The fresh air to the game is greatly appreciated. This game has so much potential.
- Of all the new areas added I like the arena the most. It gets you a new way to get girls (way too easy for my liking though) and enhances the idea that you can use the slave girls as you wish.


Neutral:

-I don't get the farm. Don't get me wrong, I'm the kind of guy that welcomes all new content but it's really weird managing a brothel in a psychotic way and have a farm and do agriculture. Maybe players like that, i don't know. Also, even when they'll be able to make potions it won't seem less out of place. It will be useful yes, but still weird.

- The studio is actually the most logical addition to the business (unlike the arena for example). However, I find it lacking as it is.
- As I see it (and I maybe wrong) the game is expanding on all fronts (gallery, the new buildings, new traits etc). That's good since you're expanding the range of the game and servicing more types gamers but it feels shallow since the new features don't have much meat. I am waiting to see how that turns up.




Cons:
- The changes made to the gallery made the old girl pack incomparable, that was a minus for since I like RL girls and the packs I had were really old (got them of this forum).




What I hope to see in the game:


I.The brothel expanded. It's been said that the different sections and support jobs will be worked upon. I really want to see that since the brothel is the core of the game in my opinion.
II.More options to customize your playing experience. It what I would call rules (Slave Maker has them) and WM has them in relations to slave acts. They are general guidelines that you check and define you play style (and maybe your morality?).

For example:

Torture: Your torturer will use it skills on the dungeon girls: 1. With great restraint (never torture when a victim's health is below 80 %) and will use light tools( no/small chance of scars etc)
                                                                                              2. Free hand ( 30 %health restriction)
                                                                                               3. Break them at all costs (basically the way it's now).


Matron/whoring: 1. Spare your girls (take into consideration not only health but all the girls happiness and tired level, if too low or too high the girls doesn't work) and it's meant to limit the chance of suicide.
2. Medium
3. Use them as much as you can (just like it is now).


Accommodation(which I personally never use): 1. Only basically needs (very poor)2. Average 3. Luxury (Obsiosly there could be more levels, just drawing the basic lines)


III. Oddly enough, I would like the rival factions to be expanded. Right now I hardly notice them except in the beginning. In the old WM there was actually an event when one of the gangs was defeated and you had the leader come to use for help(something like that). I'd love to have that expanded, maybe have all the rival leaders be girls and thus collect them one you defeated them or at least have a counter of how many rival faction leader you killed. Quest against rival factions would also be nice. At least make new gangs appear in the game.


I'm interested to see the new morality and how it works.




Anyways, it's great effort I really appreciate it. Maybe you can set up a donation page where we can show our appreciation.

[aevojoey]

Meanwhile the game contains so many sidearms , and they are still are growing, like farm,etc.. which I personally would not expect in a Whoremaster game..
I can live with that but what I really would like to have is a better support with  already existing working parts of the game..
For example: there is a clinic, in which they can help girls , and there a very fantastic methods  they can help the girls therewith; but very common things, like remove scratches etc are not included. Therefor you have to buy and use an item. That feels strange for me.
Also, all diseases and addictions should be able to be removed in a clinic. So every single player can decide to remove the item potions from the game or just leave them in.

Addictions can be removed in the Centre's Drug Rehab.

When the farm gets more work, you will be able to have your girls research cures for Diseases.
When the disease cure research gets ready, a new section of the Clinic will be added for it.

Scar should be something that is hard to remove, otherwise there would be little point in scars in general.
This would also be something that can be researched at the farm.

Some weeks ago I kindly asked to implemente an order which shows a torture pic , without having the hardcoded thing in background when using the order "player tortured target girl"
Is that already done? ( scripting)
I've already noticed that the hardcode for the scripteditor is obvisiously not availably anymore? Is there someone who is be able (and is willing  )
to write a new, and better, one ?
To give you an impact about the possibilities of scripting which could make the game much more interesting I will upload a very modified meettowngirlscript.
 In there  the player will ask the girls name before he decides to hire her . And possible that she will denie..

Crazy is handling the old scripts stuff.
I am looking at how the scripts work to see if I can change them to another method.
It is slow going on both ends.

[crazy]

Some weeks ago I kindly asked to implemente an order which shows a torture pic , without having the hardcoded thing in background when using the order "player tortured target girl"
Is that already done? ( scripting)

Been done for awhile now.  Command is have torture pic.

Cons:
- The changes made to the gallery made the old girl pack incomparable, that was a minus for since I like RL girls and the packs I had were really old (got them of this forum).

Do u mean incompatible?  As all girls should work in the game they just wont have the new pic types and the new skills will start at 0.

I.The brothel expanded. It's been said that the different sections and support jobs will be worked upon. I really want to see that since the brothel is the core of the game in my opinion.

This will happen over time.  All jobs will be made better and better over time.  More jobs will be added to the buildings and such.

II.More options to customize your playing experience. It what I would call rules (Slave Maker has them) and WM has them in relations to slave acts. They are general guidelines that you check and define you play style (and maybe your morality?).

Interesting not sure how hard or easy this would be to add.  But it would go along with the suggest you made on how to improve free time while taking slaves into account.

III. Oddly enough, I would like the rival factions to be expanded. Right now I hardly notice them except in the beginning. In the old WM there was actually an event when one of the gangs was defeated and you had the leader come to use for help(something like that). I'd love to have that expanded, maybe have all the rival leaders be girls and thus collect them one you defeated them or at least have a counter of how many rival faction leader you killed. Quest against rival factions would also be nice. At least make new gangs appear in the game.

Seen this a few times before.  Rivals might get expanded sooner or later.  I think aevojoey has plans to make rivals better not fully sure.

Accommodation(which I personally never use): 1. Only basically needs (very poor)2. Average 3. Luxury (Obsiosly there could be more levels, just drawing the basic lines)

This is how accommodations work more or less the higher they go the quicker the girl will love u.  I would like to see more done with them as that is about all they do right now.

Neutral:
-I don't get the farm. Don't get me wrong, I'm the kind of guy that welcomes all new content but it's really weird managing a brothel in a psychotic way and have a farm and do agriculture. Maybe players like that, i don't know. Also, even when they'll be able to make potions it won't seem less out of place. It will be useful yes, but still weird.

Yeah the farm is so far from done that no one really gets it yet.  But it will be a great thing once it gets further along.  Make potions, cures, and various other items.  It will also be the place to raise beasts for people who like that type of sex.  U will be able to raise food to feed ur girls so that ur daily upkeep for them will go down and you can make more money.  U will be able to make different types of beers, wines and milk to serve at the bar.  Baker could make food for the waitress to serve.  Butcher could lead to a cooking job as u will have meats and such to use.  Then there is animals and such to do things with.  I have plans to use horses for a few different jobs such as escort to make sure they show up on time if u have horses.  That all said the farm may have been rushed alittle but we were running out of letters for the .05's releases and I wanted to get into the .06 with the new numbering system.  Just think of the farm as pre alpha.

And that is just a few things I can think off the top my head Im sure aevojoey has more planned then that. 

I'm interested to see the new morality and how it works.

Me to actually lol.  I have no ideal what the plan for that is.

- The studio is actually the most logical addition to the business (unlike the arena for example). However, I find it lacking as it is.

How would u make the studio better?  I can think of a few ways myself just wondering what others think needs done to help it.  But if u have followed this mod for the like 2 years Ive worked on it the studio is about 100x better then it was at .01 lol. 

- As I see it (and I maybe wrong) the game is expanding on all fronts (gallery, the new buildings, new traits etc). That's good since you're expanding the range of the game and servicing more types gamers but it feels shallow since the new features don't have much meat. I am waiting to see how that turns up.

Yeah a lot of the things that are added are basic for now.  As I get better at coding Ive went back and made a lot of things better but its a slow process.  Aevojoey is a much better coder and he has made many things much better also.  But with only 2 people coding we just kinda work on what we feel like doing.  So we may add something get bored of that and switch to something else before making it great... But sooner or later we will go back to them.  Currently Im spending most of my time working on make jobs better and its slow work as I dont have much time to code as it is.

Pros:
- The fresh air to the game is greatly appreciated. This game has so much potential.
- Of all the new areas added I like the arena the most. It gets you a new way to get girls (way too easy for my liking though) and enhances the idea that you can use the slave girls as you wish.

The arena is my favorite also its why I added it as the 1st building I did.  It has improved quite a bit over time and aevojoey just rewrote the fight arena girls making it much better.  I also may be adding some new jobs to it soon.

But I would like to add a few other things to have new ways to get girls.  Been thinking about an auction house for awhile now where u can bid on new type of slaves and sell off girls virginity to the highest bidder.  But I would want it to be an actually event type deal where u bid on the girls and such and I just cant code that right now due to lack of skills.

[aevojoey]

Morality will kind of work similar to the players disposition with a lot more effects as more gets added.

High morality girls	|	Low morality girls
nicer and less likely to fight unless provoked	|	more likely to hurt customers for no reason
Better for service and assisting jobs	|	Better for torture and beast jobs
More likely to convince	|	More likely to force actions
prefers normal sex acts	|	prefers beast, bdsm and rough sex
as matron, will help more	|	as matron, will hurt more
better with good magic	|	better with dark magic
better at researching good stuff	|	better at researching bad stuff
More likely to spare life in the arena	|	More likely to kill in the arena
will hate evil players	|	will hate good players

I want to update the studio so it can handle the actual movies better.
I started it but never got back to working on it.


For the gallery, I want to replace the buttons with a listbox of the image types.
That is another thing I have not gotten back to.


I basically just do one section at a time based on working on a section and looking for sub sections of that.
I just finished condensing cScreenBuildingSetup.cpp.
I basically chopped it in half from 1080+ lines down to less than 550 lines
The entire buy antipreg potion buttons section was chopped down from about 400 lines to less than 70.
(Hopefully it works the same)


I don't really have a set course of what to do next, but I am trying to keep to the requests when I can.
Most times though I just do what I see needs doing.

[Jacko]

Hey, some more feedback from me.


I'm having problems figuring out where in the game peepshow fits. When I make girlpacks, what should I use for peepshow?


I know nude is the correct naming type, but what is nude exactly? Is it topless? Is it naked but not in a lewd pose? How does this differ from Strip? If I were training a new girl, would she be more likely to strip or peepshow at first?


I really like the new addition to the brothel stripper job that they can masterbate (using MAST)if they get hot enough. I'd love to see more types of progression like this with the jobs. Bedwarmer is another good example of how this is used. It keeps things interesting, and I'd like to see a progression like this with even more pic sets, such as using Strip - nude  - mast - sex dependent on how horny or willing a girl is. I usually progress my girls from Ecchi bar/waitress jobs, to stripper or brothel stripper, to whore as a way of breaking them in. Mainly because these jobs are the most fleshed out of all of them. I'd love to see more randomness based on libido, nymphomania, and love traits to make girls "act out" on the job. It shouldn't happen all the time, but if I put a girl to work as a ecchi waitress, sometimes its a nice surprise (or not) to see that the girl gives a free blow job to a customer she finds attractive depending on the type of girl she is. Another thing to add to the story and another choice given to the player about whether she should be punished or rewarded.


Peepshow has two separate pics shown each shift is this intentional? I think cleaning does too (or used to).


 Back to brother strip job, I'd also like it if you showed a pic of each phase of the job. For example, the description will say x ended up stripping for a customer and ended up fucking them as well, making them very happy. I'd like to see this description separated into two pic tabs, one of them stripping (STRIP) and one of them having sex with the client (SEX/HAND/ORAL/ANAL etc.). Such as:


X stripped for a client, she must be the perfect stripper because customers always come to see her work.


Show STRIP


(then you click on the next tab in the turn summary)


She also ended up fucking the client, making him very happy.


Show SEX


I hope you understand what I'm trying to describe.


Also, currently there seems to be a bug in the Brothel strip descriptions where if the girl has sex with a guy there is a jumble of the description. she always gets abused during the shift, and the formatting of the description isn't quite right.


Fame (and all of the skills imo) rises far too quickly and there should be a cap on a girls fame dependent on her other skills like beauty, charisma, sex skills, etc. This is important because it's far too easy to make money with the whore job. Any girl who is level 3 or has 100 fame easily sleeps with 9 guys every turn, making 800-1000gp, even if her beauty is like 56 or something. A girl in that much demand should have the stats to match. I think tweaking some of these things will make the game more challenging in the early and late game. Maybe too many customers?


Also a girls enjoyment of a job needs to be tweaked in my opinion. Right now in the code it is assured that over time a girl will end up loving whatever job you put on her. -1 for abused during shift(low chance), +1 for normal, +3(?) for enjoyed herself(low chance). You can see how this plays out statistically over time. I'd like to see more variation.


It also seems like girls will naturally fall in love with you over time, even if you don't speak with them. This is kind of weird, but explainable. Is this your intention?


Great game, thanks for all the work!

[crazy]

I know nude is the correct naming type, but what is nude exactly? Is it topless? Is it naked but not in a lewd pose? How does this differ from Strip?

To me nude is a girl naked without clothes on.  Where strip is a girl in the process of stripping or with only a few pieces of cloths on

I really like the new addition to the brothel stripper job that they can masterbate (using MAST)if they get hot enough. I'd love to see more types of progression like this with the jobs. Bedwarmer is another good example of how this is used. It keeps things interesting, and I'd like to see a progression like this with even more pic sets, such as using Strip - nude  - mast - sex dependent on how horny or willing a girl is. I usually progress my girls from Ecchi bar/waitress jobs, to stripper or brothel stripper, to whore as a way of breaking them in. Mainly because these jobs are the most fleshed out of all of them. I'd love to see more randomness based on libido, nymphomania, and love traits to make girls "act out" on the job. It shouldn't happen all the time, but if I put a girl to work as a ecchi waitress, sometimes its a nice surprise (or not) to see that the girl gives a free blow job to a customer she finds attractive depending on the type of girl she is. Another thing to add to the story and another choice given to the player about whether she should be punished or rewarded.

Last patch nurse, feedpoor, and community service got something along those lines added for nympos and girls with low int.  Peepshow is getting more added to it next patch.  The girl can bring in another girl or a customer based off her traits to have sex with while people watch.  But I agree with u on some of this but some jobs wont be getting anything like this as I like them to be safe jobs.  But u can expect some jobs to be getting more events for nympos or low int or what have u type girls.

Peepshow has two separate pics shown each shift is this intentional? I think cleaning does too (or used to).

It was bug that should be fixed next patch.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to describe.

I understand what u mean.  Should be doable.

Also, currently there seems to be a bug in the Brothel strip descriptions where if the girl has sex with a guy there is a jumble of the description. she always gets abused during the shift, and the formatting of the description isn't quite right.

Dont know that I ever tested this so yeah might have a few bugs.  Not sure why it would do that though.

Fame (and all of the skills imo) rises far too quickly and there should be a cap on a girls fame dependent on her other skills like beauty, charisma, sex skills, etc. This is important because it's far too easy to make money with the whore job. Any girl who is level 3 or has 100 fame easily sleeps with 9 guys every turn, making 800-1000gp, even if her beauty is like 56 or something. A girl in that much demand should have the stats to match. I think tweaking some of these things will make the game more challenging in the early and late game. Maybe too many customers?

I think its just the whore job is to strong really.  Caping fame wouldnt be right as there are tons of famous people that are ugly as sin.  Right now game balance is far from my mind as to much is changing ever week.

Also a girls enjoyment of a job needs to be tweaked in my opinion. Right now in the code it is assured that over time a girl will end up loving whatever job you put on her. -1 for abused during shift(low chance), +1 for normal, +3(?) for enjoyed herself(low chance). You can see how this plays out statistically over time. I'd like to see more variation.

This is mostly done to assure the girl will actually work the job more often then not.  It could use some tweaks.  But what ur saying was done by me to assure that the girl would eventually want to work the job as early on girls can refuse way to much.  I always hated that a girl u take in off the street give a place to live and food to eat wouldnt be a waitress for u... lol so that was my fix to make them do the job faster.  But ending the rant yes it needs something better at some point.

It also seems like girls will naturally fall in love with you over time, even if you don't speak with them. This is kind of weird, but explainable. Is this your intention?

Yeah they do.  And no it isnt my intentions for that.  I know the higher a girls accommodations the faster she will fall in love with u.  But basically all girls will be in love with u which dont make sense.  I would rather it take some work but interactions arent great right now so for now it is what it is. 

[aevojoey]

I plan on adding a deterioration check to the girls so they slowly lower stats, skill and enjoyment.
This will balance out things that they do not use.
Basically every day, they may loose 1 point from 1-5 stats or skills and 0-2 points from all enjoyments.


Morality will have a lot of effect on love/hate if the girl and player differ in their morality.
Having both a Demon and an Angel at the same time will take some work to keep them both in love with you.

[CaptC]

If you are going to have more sequenced sex acts, I'm all for it!


Just, please,  PLEASE have the displayed picture reflect the last act that actually occurred, not the last act that MIGHT have occurred. For example, brothel whores that strip but do nothing else, currently get a picture of a sex act that they didn't actually perform. They should just get a strip picture, and some text that says why they didn't proceed.


(I ranted about that somewhere else, not sure if I made it clear what the problem was, because, well .. rant mode was on.) 

[0nymous]

I plan on adding a deterioration check to the girls so they slowly lower stats, skill and enjoyment.
This will balance out things that they do not use.
Basically every day, they may loose 1 point from 1-5 stats or skills and 0-2 points from all enjoyments.

Basically every day, they may loose 1 point from 1-5 stats or skills and 0-2 points from all enjoyments.

Basically every day

day

DAILY TURN SYSTEM OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED

[crazy]

Just, please,  PLEASE have the displayed picture reflect the last act that actually occurred, not the last act that MIGHT have occurred. For example, brothel whores that strip but do nothing else, currently get a picture of a sex act that they didn't actually perform. They should just get a strip picture, and some text that says why they didn't proceed.

Thats a bug I didnt even know about..  It will be fixed

[aevojoey]

DAILY TURN SYSTEM OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED

Ok, confirmed that some time in the future if I get around to it the game may or may not change from weekly to daily mode.

Not really, but whatever you want to believe is fine. 

Day, week and turn sometimes get mixed in various examples in the game.

[noname]

Thats a bug I didnt even know about..  It will be fixed

That was the result of the bug with the customers.

[crazy]

That was the result of the bug with the customers.

Thought it was because it wasn't told that if it was skill strip that it used image strip.  Which I have done just not upload it to the SVN yet.

[noname]

Thought it was because it wasn't told that if it was skill strip that it used image strip.  Which I have done just not upload it to the SVN yet.

That too but in r105 customers could not get stripping as preferred Sex.
Instead they could get herbalism or some of the other new skills wich lead to stripping with sex image somehow. xD
Edit: Ok i checked r109 and the bug now happens as you said. my bad.

[HuiBui]

Been done for awhile now.  Command is have torture pic.

Dear crazy,
may be that I'm being stupid
but I can't find this command under sript commands in the sripteditor folder, so how I can use this command?
 
Kind regards,
HuiBui