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Game Discussion => General Discussion & Download => Topic started by: sgb on July 18, 2010, 12:55:02 AM
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So I finally broke down and bought a PS3 (used of course, I wanted a backward compatible one). I'm a big fighting game fan, and it doesn't look like Super Street Fighter IV is going to get a PC release. Super Blazblue is also coming out very soon with MvsC3 on the horizon, so I figured it was time. The question is, what else would people recommend? I picked up three games with the system as the store gives you $25 off if you do. I grabbed SSF4 of course, and Metal Gear 4 because it was cheap and a great showcase game...but I didn't know what to pick for a third. I ended up going with God of War 3, but I heard it's really short and better off as a rental so I'm probably going to return it for something else. I haven't kept on top of PS3 releases, so I'm kind of at a loss here. As I have a fine gaming PC anything I can get on the PC is out, and of course I can't trade it in for downloadable games or that would have made the decision a lot easier.
Any suggestions, or even suggest that I stick with God of War 3? An RPG would be nice since they're good value for money, but I heard FF13 was all style and no substance. How was Star Ocean 4? Maybe Disgaea 3? Help someone who's been out of the console gaming loop out!
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X-box 360 here so I can't give you 100% help on this.
Star ocean 4 is 360 only last I heard. Don't worry though, you aren't missing much.
If you liked FF10 there is no reason why you shouldn't like 13. Better yet, if you liked Xenosaga (didn't mind watching a 40 hour long movie) you will like 13. 13 Caught a lot of heat from 360 players, who where mostly getting fair like Dragon age, Mass effect, Fallout 3, and the like. So a massively linear story pissed them the hell off. Being a Sony to M$ convert though, I didn't mind at all. Of course, nobody complains about the linearness of Fable or Borderlands so it's just "We Hate JRPGS" from the PC crowd.
If you don't have games like Borderlands, Fallout 3, Oblivion or the like for the PC, could very well get them now. :D
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Rumor is that DoA5 is going to be on 360 AND PS3. It isn't much help, as it's not due out for awhile, but I'm not a big fan of the overpriced blu ray player, so I don't know many of the games.
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did you like the original zelda games if so try 3d dot game heros another good one is ratchet and clank series, cross edge is as well it is a crossover game with turn based fighting elements. Also try fat princess for the download it is fun
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megaman, he's asking about PS3 titles :P Sure, he could go emu, but he'd have to mod his ps3 to do it.
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Any suggestions, or even suggest that I stick with God of War 3? An RPG would be nice since they're good value for money, but I heard FF13 was all style and no substance. How was Star Ocean 4? Maybe Disgaea 3? Help someone who's been out of the console gaming loop out!
Yeah, I wish I had more of an idea of what you liked other than fighting games. You could get Soul Calibur 4 if you really want a fighting game. Games I fell in love with:
Valkyria Chronicles (Turn based strategy game) BEST GAME EVER
Uncharted 1/2 (Third person action game *Also quite short* 2 has multiplayer though)
Demons Souls (Japanese take on Western RPGs *Seems hard at first, but once you learn enemy patterns it becomes much easier*) SECOND BEST GAME EVER
Resident Evil 5 (Short game, but there's a lot to do so you'll play it for hours)
If you really want an RPG I say wait for Ar Tonelico 3 (They say you don't need to play the other two to get it *Even though they're totally awesome*) or maybe even Atelier Rurona which is coming out before long as well. But if you need one now, Cross Edge isn't a bad choice, the story is terrible but the game itself is quite fun. FF 13 involves a lot of running through narrow walkways the monotony killed it for me. (I still havent beaten it) so I say avoid that. It's selling for incredibly cheap in Japan because everyone returned it after they finished it. So I say just keep waiting on that one. Disgaea 3 is fun, I enjoyed it. It does lose it's appeal before long though but there's toooonnnnnns to do.
Hrm what else? Oh yeah, Star Ocean 4... yeah... not the best game in the world. Story is boring as sin, characters seem so stiff and no one is truly likable, so you really don't care about anyone. Gameplay is probably the best as far as an SO game goes. Though SO2 is still the best Star Ocean even created. (Not the best story in that either)
megaman, he's asking about PS3 titles :P Sure, he could go emu, but he'd have to mod his ps3 to do it.
No he's comparing 3D dot game heroes to Zelda. Saying they're similar gameplay wise. I havent played the game myself, but I've been wanting to for a while. :/
Also been wanting to play Last Rebellion and Resonance of Fate. D:
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Thanks a lot for the suggestions, I'll take a look into some of those. Basically I like any sort of game expect maybe sports titles, so anything is good as long as it's fun and it's not something I could have gotten on PC.
-Valkyria Chronicles: I've heard some good things about Valkyria Chronicles and love strategy games, so I'll keep an eye out for that one for sure.
-Demon's Souls: I heard Demon's Souls was interesting but didn't see it anywhere for sale, except a $75 collectors edition. May just have to rent this one then.
-FF13: Will probably stay away then. I enjoy the style of both CRPGs and JPRGs at times, but everything I've heard about FF13 points to it being as linear and bland as hell. The fact that I saw it used for $35 (canuck dollars) kind of tells me just how many trade-ins they got for this. Which is generally not a good sign for a supposed AAA RPG.
-Star Ocean 4: That's too bad it sucks, as I really liked the second and third one. Oh well.
-Ar Tonelico 3: I've played the other two, so I'll keep an eye out for this one. Hopefully they can strike a better balance between the gameplay and the 'sim' portion this time. They almost had a good gameplay system in the second one, but was once again laughably easy.
If you don't have games like Borderlands, Fallout 3, Oblivion or the like for the PC, could very well get them now.
Picked up Borderlands for $10 during the Steam mega-sale a few weeks ago. Still kicking myself for missing some of the other specials.
There's a bunch of downloadable games I'm interesting in too of course. I plan to pick up Megaman 9 and 10, and will take a look at that Dot Heroes game as well.
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Well, I like fallout 3 for PC best cuz of the ability to mod it in ways that you can't do with 360 or PS3 versions. If you have fallout 3 for pc, I suggest taking a hop to http://fallout3nexus.com and checking out the arena mod that adds an arena in game similar to the one in oblivion
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-FF13: Will probably stay away then. I enjoy the style of both CRPGs and JPRGs at times, but everything I've heard about FF13 points to it being as linear and bland as hell. The fact that I saw it used for $35 (canuck dollars) kind of tells me just how many trade-ins they got for this. Which is generally not a good sign for a supposed AAA RPG.
Linear yeah, not so much with the bland. At least graphics and story wise. Gameplay though... you will probably ware out your X button. But that could be said for most final fantasies.
Anyone know if Nier has been released on the PS3 as well? I heard it was pretty much a JRPG version of Fable. And actually very good. (Surprisingly so considering what Square enix has been releasing on the Current Gen Consoles.)
And yeah, SO4 was a gigantic disappointment. Especially coming from Tri-Ace. (Wonder if that had anything to do with SE dropping them and Sega picking them up?) It's pretty much a Harem Comedy in space. Minus the Comedy... And A few to many Loli's for my taste.
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Anyone know if Nier has been released on the PS3 as well? I heard it was pretty much a JRPG version of Fable. And actually very good. (Surprisingly so considering what Square enix has been releasing on the Current Gen Consoles.)
It's out, I heard it was pretty good. But the side quests have little to be desired. (I remember fishing be a complaint) The story is top notch, I'd like to play it myself. Keep in mind we have Replicant with the older MC if that changes anything for you.
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Cool, I just picked it up for the 360 myself, but don't like to recommend something by way of heresy. (Haven't played yet) Least not without corroboration.
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It's out, I heard it was pretty good. But the side quests have little to be desired. (I remember fishing be a complaint) The story is top notch, I'd like to play it myself. Keep in mind we have Replicant with the older MC if that changes anything for you.
fishing don't even get me started on that games fishing I am usually good at fishing mini games but this was asinine
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Now that I've actually played it, I can recommend Nier. ;D
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fishing don't even get me started on that games fishing I am usually good at fishing mini games but this was asinine
yeah it's a bit of a pain to get used to at first. Trick is to remember that the area you get your fishing rod is not the area you should start fishing at. The story quest where you actually need to fish is messed up like that. Just pay attention to the red X on the map. After that quest is done, the old guy that gives you the fishing gear also gives you quests to raise your fishing level. After that, fishing is way easier.
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Best fishing min-game EVER... Zelda: Ocarina of Time
That was just CLASSIC
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Best fishing min-game EVER... Zelda: Ocarina of Time
That was just CLASSIC
Yeah I actually enjoyed that games fishing. One of the few games I went out of my way to do MOST if not all the quests.
Now if anyone has played Resoncance of Fate. I'd like some opinions on that... I've been holding off on it for a while now.
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Yeah I actually enjoyed that games fishing. One of the few games I went out of my way to do MOST if not all the quests.
Now if anyone has played Resoncance of Fate. I'd like some opinions on that... I've been holding off on it for a while now.
Well I heard it's a fun game with a whacked out story. Which is like 99% of Tri-Aces Games. The Other 1 percent fall into the "Rushed development because parent company cut a backroom deal with a major software company turned console maker" category. aka Star Ocean: The Last Disappointment Hope. I'll probably pick that up in the next month or so. Resonance that is.
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if you look on wikipedia for star ocean the last hope group photo there appears to be a girl that has a dick going all the way to her chin but when you zoom in on the pic it is just her collar
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I had to LOL hard at some of the recent NIS games. Looking through the downloadables/add-on section their new games seem to have add-ons not for content, but for CHEATS. Game makers, take notice!
Step 1: Make a game with soul shattering amounts of grind.
Step 2: Offer players ways to skip the grind if they pay extra.
Step 3: Profit!
Actually, I'm sure there's probably already MMO's out there that do that. Which is why I've avoided that genre like the plague.
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Hmm, it is an interesting idea. But you still have to get them addicted enough to want to skip the grind.
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I had to LOL hard at some of the recent NIS games. Looking through the downloadables/add-on section their new games seem to have add-ons not for content, but for CHEATS. Game makers, take notice!
Step 1: Make a game with soul shattering amounts of grind.
Step 2: Offer players ways to skip the grind if they pay extra.
Step 3: Profit!
Actually, I'm sure there's probably already MMO's out there that do that. Which is why I've avoided that genre like the plague.
Cross Edge, Agarest Wars and their new game Trinity whatever-it's-called all have DLC like that. But honestly, I kind of welcome it... all their games are huge grindfests. You don't HAVE to grind at all to beat the main story in any of their games, the post-game content is where all that comes in. At least now you have the option to skip all the silly grinding you don't want to do at the cost of whatever you're willing to pay. I think it's rather genius actually, it allows them to have a wider audience without having to adjust how they make games.
Anyone willing to pay the money for such a thing now has the option to. At no point do you have to buy it, and at no point will you absolutely need it. So to me it's more of a win/win than anything.
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Hmm, it is an interesting idea. But you still have to get them addicted enough to want to skip the grind.
That's easy enough. Make it free to play, then charge for gold and extra items and junk.
Example: Rappelz. The fact this is still getting updated and doesn't look like crap means this model seems to work.
At no point do you have to buy it, and at no point will you absolutely need it. So to me it's more of a win/win than anything.
This kinda reeks of paying someone else to play the game for you. Via the power level services that sprang up for MMO's. Where people would take your account and level it for you. For a fee of course... Never made sense to me.
They do say a fool and his money are soon parted.
Slightly off topic, Anyone play the free to play Megami Tensei MMO?
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Played a little bit. Didn't get far enough to have much of an opinion though. It works like Persona 1 in a sense. You fight the demons and coerce them through various dialogue types to get them to join your side.
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Perfect World International isn't too bad.
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Step 1: Make a game with soul shattering amounts of grind.
Step 2: Offer players ways to skip the grind if they pay extra.
Step 3: Profit!
Sounds like every facebook game ever written.
This is how bad it is. There's a guy just made a facebook game called Cow Clicker. You get a cow, in a pasture, and every six hours you can click on it. That's the gameplay. You can use in-game money (Mooney) to buy more clicks and prettier clows and you can buy Money with real money. You also get more clicks if you get all your friends to come click on your cow.
He did it as a satire, to show how banal facebook games are if you boil them down the minimum. The killer is - people are playing his game. It seems it hits the same psychological weak points as the "real" games, and in doing so is simularly addictive.
http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml
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a new guilty gear has been announced, so there's something to look forward to
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Sounds like every facebook game ever written.
This is how bad it is. There's a guy just made a facebook game called Cow Clicker. You get a cow, in a pasture, and every six hours you can click on it. That's the gameplay. You can use in-game money (Mooney) to buy more clicks and prettier clows and you can buy Money with real money. You also get more clicks if you get all your friends to come click on your cow.
He did it as a satire, to show how banal facebook games are if you boil them down the minimum. The killer is - people are playing his game. It seems it hits the same psychological weak points as the "real" games, and in doing so is simularly addictive.
http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml (http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml)
The fact the he flat out stated it was a joke meant to parody awful 'free to play' games and people still beg him to take their money is terrifying. And also a sign that I took the wrong career path. If someone had told me in high school they would make truckloads of cash by creating a severly stripped down Harvest Moon (Farmville, or whatever it's called), everyone would have laughed at them.
Oh how I wish I knew how stupid people were back then.
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a new guilty gear has been announced, so there's something to look forward to
I see not the appeal of Guilty Gear.
I tried it, and it seems to be one of those lame fighters that they seem to pump out en masse these days.
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what are you, insane?
and what game was it?
also, what "lame fighters that they seem to pump out en masse these days" are you referring to?
the only recent fighter that could be compared to gg is blazblue, which is a casual gg
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You play around with Mugen, Fixet?
Also I never played GG either, so I can't pass judgment on it. I stopped playing 2d fighters when Tekken came out and stopped playing 3d when Soul Calibur 4 came out. Bout all I play now IS SF4. (And Mugen but without an online mode that isn't as much fun.)
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this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.G.E.N
this is the first time I heard of this, how does this work, exactly?
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what are you, insane?
and what game was it?
also, what "lame fighters that they seem to pump out en masse these days" are you referring to?
the only recent fighter that could be compared to gg is blazblue, which is a casual gg
Guilty Gear X2.
Seemed to me it's just another SF2 clone.
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Mugen is basically a modifiable 2d fighting game engine. At it's most basic, you just download a few characters and place them in a character folder then modify Select.def so mugen knows the character exists. Same goes for stages. Just about every 2d fighting game has been ripped and a few 2d non fighting games had there characters converted into Mugen fighters. (The Megaman series is pretty popular for this.)
Modifying it further takes a lot of work though. Also, there is no online mode... Which relegates Mugen to more of a novelty unless you have 2 controllers for your computer. (2 people on a keyboard = massive failure)
Finally, There are a few sex mods for Mugen. Most are lulzy but there are a few good ones.
Anyway here are a few links.
Main Mugen Site (http://www.elecbyte.com/mugen)
Some characters, stages and the like. (http://www.mugenation.com/)
One of the better sex mods. (http://studioramen.blogspot.com/2010_07_18_archive.html)
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@lordjerle
then you honestly don't know what you're talking about
if you actually went and played both games there is no way in hell you'd consider them similar, as they actually come from different schools of fighters. that's like comparing tekken to mortal kombat
also, sf2 came out, what, 20 years ago? that's hardly "one of those lame fighters that they seem to pump out en masse these days"
thanks, lorde, I'll check it out
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I didn't say SF2 was one of those games en masse, I said guilty gear was a clone. Only the combo's are easier to use. No challenging gameplay whatsoever.
If easy is your thing, more power to you.
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so, not only did you weasel out of explaining and/or backing your original claim, you defend your ridiculous statement with more ridiculous statements? cool
you lack the basic knowledge of the mechanics used in the game
if being a retard is your thing, more power to you.
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if being a retard is your thing, more power to you.
Oh look, another weekend of this shit.
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oh, don't give me that crap, he's the one pulling the condescending wise-man act without making a single valid point
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oh, don't give me that crap, he's the one pulling the condescending wise-man act without making a single valid point
I'm giving my perception and opinion based on my experience.
You're throwing insults around.
Let's get back on topic, shall we?
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If easy is your thing, more power to you.
sure is opinions and experience
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Let's get back on topic, shall we?
Well Dead rising 2 will be out for ps3 and 360 in September.
Nothing says "Cathartic Release" like running over a park full of zombies with a FUCKING LAWN MOWER! Then of course beating the crap out of the last surviving zombie with his own arm. Too bad Dead rising 1 isn't out on the PS3 or I'd recommend it.
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Arkham Asylum 2's comin out here pretty soon, and the first one wasn't a slouch in the awesomeness department either.
Amended: 2011 isn't here pretty soon... I thought it was coming out before then... but still... Arkham Asylum's still awesome.
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Apparently Dead Rising 2 is getting a PC release as well, which is shocking considering Capcom's refusal to release a PC SSF4. I obviously have nothing against consoles, but most multi-port titles are in 720p on the consoles, which looks like absolute shit compared to the 1920×1080 (1080p) any decent gaming PC can handle. Killing zombies with wacky weapons never gets old, so my friends and I are looking forward to that one as well.
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Apparently Dead Rising 2 is getting a PC release as well, which is shocking considering Capcom's refusal to release a PC SSF4.
I think it may have had something to do with a naked chunli mod appearing like 5 minutes after release.
Case in Point
(http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs47/i/2009/212/4/5/Chun_li_BIG_Tits_MOD_by_elconchero.jpg)
I think Capcom is just a bit Gun Shy thanks to the recent controversy over that Rapelay game. Major Japanese Game Companies are not used to making PC games and therefore are not used to a modding community for their games. And Japans reaction to Controversey in the American Market place is generally "Cave in without them even asking". Like how Itagaki flipped the hell out and sued Ninja Hacker because of the Nude mods for DOA back during the "Hot Coffee" fiasco. (See also Nintendo turning blood to sweat for Mortal Kombat.)
So yeah, Capcom releasing another PC game is actually a giant step for them.
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>.> I have that mod.
Also... It's because SF4 was pirated en mass in both North America and Japan.
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Then I retract my previous statement.
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Yeah, I read a press release on it somewhere when I was checking to see if there'd be a PC release.
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Fuuny how that happens when you release a AAA title game with NO COPY PROTECTION. Even more funny that the executives actually think all those pirated copies would have been sales otherwise. People pirate games when they a) are too cheap/poor to pay money for it and b) when they are only semi-interested in the game and wanted to see a 'full demo' before comitting any cash. Even if you were somehow able to prevent anyone from pirating your game (good luck with that), you're not suddenly going to get thousands of sales from the ex-pirate group.
But go ahead and lose more revenue by not releasing a highly in-demand game because some people are going to pirate it. I'm sure the executives know best.
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Still some portion of the pirated software would be sales the problem is no one know how many.
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Fuuny how that happens when you release a AAA title game with NO COPY PROTECTION. Even more funny that the executives actually think all those pirated copies would have been sales otherwise. People pirate games when they a) are too cheap/poor to pay money for it and b) when they are only semi-interested in the game and wanted to see a 'full demo' before comitting any cash. Even if you were somehow able to prevent anyone from pirating your game (good luck with that), you're not suddenly going to get thousands of sales from the ex-pirate group.
But go ahead and lose more revenue by not releasing a highly in-demand game because some people are going to pirate it. I'm sure the executives know best.
I have to disagree with this partially. To assume that there isn't a group c) People who would have payed for the game if there wasn't a "free" option, is just ignoring human nature. People will always take the free option if its available and has little consequence.
Now I'm not on any high horse or anything about piracy. That would be extremely hypocritical since I do use bittorrent. I just saw the lack of a group c) as an omission. :D
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People will always take the free option if its available and has little consequence.
no, they won't
and to tell you the truth, there's not much point in pirating sf4 for anything other than to try it out, the online multiplayer is the only good thing in the game
the game itself hasn't evolved at all, it's the same game you played on the snes
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no, they won't
Yes (http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1534984)
They (http://notevilmusic.com/psychology-of-internet-music-piracy/)
Will (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AHDE1d10LVkJ:www.acei2010.com/upload/acei/microsoft%2520word%2520-%2520internet%2520music%2520piracy%2520%2520an%2520empirical%2520study%2520of%2520consumer%2520intention.pdf+psychological+study+on+piracy&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&lr=lang_ja%7Clang_en&client=firefox-a)
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I wouldn't
now what?
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I wouldn't
now what?
You win the internet?
<Confetti and Fanfare>
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I suppose that was supposed to be clever
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Well what do you want an award? A Medal? A cookie? How about some pie?
You don't download stuff you don't pay for on the internet...
Good for you.
The conversation is over.
A "winrar" is you.
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lolwinrar
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yes, post advice dog next, that'll make you look even more cool
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(http://img25.imagevenue.com/loc27/th_08468_Advice_Dog_Fixet_told_me_to_post_this_So_I_did_Now_I_look_even_more_cool_123_27lo.jpg) (http://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08468_Advice_Dog_Fixet_told_me_to_post_this_So_I_did_Now_I_look_even_more_cool_123_27lo.jpg)
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Okay, this is getting out of hand.
Why don't you two take the whole debate outside and solve it the good old way.
Oh wait. you can't. Because if you could we wouldn't have this conversation in the first place. But its always nice to see people making total douches out of themselves over the internet.
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Okay, this is getting out of hand.
Maybe last night around 8 oclock it did. But if you want to bring it all back for no reason a day later, be my guest.
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I'll agree with your group c customer base, forgot about them. I have a friend exactly like that. I showed him Resident Evil 5 on the PC and he loved it. He's not poor by any means, but did he got out and buy it? No, he downloads it and tries to jump through Hamanchi and registry hoops to try to get multiplayer working with me.
Happy Karma ending, he got a virus for his troubles. Should have paid the $30, cheapass.
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Happy Karma ending, he got a virus for his troubles. Should have paid the $30, cheapass.
Agreed. Also, loading up Trojans with pirated software is becoming an increasingly common practice. Makes you wonder if this is a form of "Fan based copy protection".
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Agreed. Also, loading up Trojans with pirated software is becoming an increasingly common practice. Makes you wonder if this is a form of "Fan based copy protection".
They've been loading pirated software full of trojans since file sharing became popular, it didn't work so well over MIRC, but when napster first came around, the whole thing became a booming business. Many of them were software companies trying to get personal information to sue with, a lot of others were dumb kids being bored. Either way, it's a prevalent practice, which is why you always check the comments when you download a torrent :P
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They've been loading pirated software full of trojans since file sharing became popular, it didn't work so well over MIRC, but when napster first came around, the whole thing became a booming business. Many of them were software companies trying to get personal information to sue with, a lot of others were dumb kids being bored. Either way, it's a prevalent practice, which is why you always check the comments when you download a torrent :P
I don't remember it ever being this bad though. Well Kaza sucked ass but that's why everyone used e-mule. :D And I might be wrong but wasn't Napster mp3 only? or did that change before they where shut down? and I never used MIRC for file sharing. Did use Usenet though and that was very safe (relatively speaking of course) thanks to strong peer review... Unless you where in some asshole end of alt.binaries.thefuckareyoudoinghere
Today though, it's just out of control. At least that's what It looks like to me. Never remember it this bad.
And reading comments doesn't help much.
<poster 1> My virus scan told me the keygen is a trojan.
<poster 2> Oh don't worry, keygens do change things on your computer so they can be falsely detected as viruses
<poster 3> It's true
<poster 1> Shit I just got a virus from this.
<poster 4> Stop lying you RIAA shill.
...reads the typical comment log on pirate bay. :D
About the only "safe" torrents out there come from forums. And even then you shouldn't download anything from someone with low post counts.
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Dead Rising 2 doesn't come out for a while unfortunately. :/ Mafia 2 looks good though. Spiderman is looking good as well... better wait for the reviews on that one though. :o
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I don't remember it ever being this bad though. Well Kaza sucked ass but that's why everyone used e-mule. :D And I might be wrong but wasn't Napster mp3 only? or did that change before they where shut down? and I never used MIRC for file sharing. Did use Usenet though and that was very safe (relatively speaking of course) thanks to strong peer review... Unless you where in some asshole end of alt.binaries.thefuckareyoudoinghere
Today though, it's just out of control. At least that's what It looks like to me. Never remember it this bad.
And reading comments doesn't help much.
<poster 1> My virus scan told me the keygen is a trojan.
<poster 2> Oh don't worry, keygens do change things on your computer so they can be falsely detected as viruses
<poster 3> It's true
<poster 1> Shit I just got a virus from this.
<poster 4> Stop lying you RIAA shill.
...reads the typical comment log on pirate bay. :D
About the only "safe" torrents out there come from forums. And even then you shouldn't download anything from someone with low post counts.
True, and some "keygens" are actually injectors that patch the executables so you can play without a disk, but if you look through the comments enough, you see which ones are bullshit and which ones aren't, and sites like btjunkie allow the users to flag the torrents good, bad, virus, blah blah blah.
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The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high.
Robert Walpole and Adam Smith figured this bit out three hundred years ago. At the time, english trade was subject to swingeing duty, and as a result smuggling was rife, the penalties were high and the occupation of "exise man" was the most hated in the nation. Walpole massively cut the duties and smuggling died down to near nothing, almost overnight. The wasn't enough profit in it compared to the risks. Meanwhile the country's revenues rose because now people were actually paying the duty.
I think the situation is the same for games. If the price point was right, very few would be interested in risking malware and/or prosecution just to save a few pennies. And if the numbers downloading dropped, a lot of crackers would probably look elsewhere for their fix of social validation.
The problem is only made worse by the variable the quality of the games. There are too many expensive turkeys that make it to release. Spending fifty quid on a game is essentially gambling that you'll get more entertainment from some overhyped sequel than you might get spending the money down the local pub, for instance. A great many people don't see that as a smart bet any more, and so they look elsewhere for what they want.
Of course, the problem isn't helped by groups like PPG who make entertaining games and give them away, thus further lowing people's price expectations. But I see that as a good thing, myself :)
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Okay, this is getting out of hand.
Why don't you two take the whole debate outside and solve it the good old way.
Oh wait. you can't. Because if you could we wouldn't have this conversation in the first place. But its always nice to see people making total douches out of themselves over the internet.
oh, lord, the irony
all I said is that "humans" will not always choose the free option
I mean, people donated to this game/necno/ppg, when they had no obligation to do so, nor anything to gain
it's like gabe said, if you provide quality service and products, you will earn money, you can't blame people for not wanting to pay for crap work
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Dead Rising 2 doesn't come out for a while unfortunately. :/ Mafia 2 looks good though. Spiderman is looking good as well... better wait for the reviews on that one though. :o
The 3 big ones on the 360 I'm waiting for are Fallout: New Vegas, Dead space 2 and Fable 3. Two of those will most definitely be on the PS3. And the last... I keep telling myself I hate Peter Molyneux and the Fable series... But I keep playing the damn things so they must appeal to me on some level.
True, and some "keygens" are actually injectors that patch the executables so you can play without a disk, but if you look through the comments enough, you see which ones are bullshit and which ones aren't, and sites like btjunkie allow the users to flag the torrents good, bad, virus, blah blah blah.
Still Don't trust torrent sites Though. Unless what I am looking for is not an executable of course. Otherwise, if it's not on Demonoid or Hongfire I won't download it.
The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high.
I can go into a rant about how EA is fleecing the public with everything from game sales to DLC Shenanigans. But I won't. :D
oh, lord, the irony
If we agree on anything, it would be this.
all I said is that "humans" will not always choose the free option
I mean, people donated to this game/necno/ppg, when they had no obligation to do so, nor anything to gain
it's like gabe said, if you provide quality service and products, you will earn money, you can't blame people for not wanting to pay for crap work
Alright, fare enough. However let me submit that there are just as many, if not more people who download from this site and don't give so much as a thank you.
In the interest of "Lets just stop", I'll pull back my "People will always chose the "free" option if there is little consequence" To "a lot of people". That should be a sufficiently vague quantity that there should not be any more arguments.
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EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games. The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely considering it.
Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas, monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.
How many games do you think are ending up like that? I'm pretty positive most of them are. We're going to hit a point where it's no longer the games that look pretty that are the big sellers, and it's going to be the small simple looking games with tons of gameplay and re-playability that sell so well.
Oh and yeah the only reason I hate Molyneux is because he hypes his games to an extreme that they never amount to. He claims the things you can do are only limited by your imagination but that's simply not the case. I enjoyed both Fable games but they're nothing like he hyped them to be.
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well, you COULD imagine you're playing a better game where you can do more stuff, you only have your limited mind to blame for your failure to do so, pete has nothing to do with it
and my dorfs laugh at silly console graphics
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EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games. The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely considering it.
Yeah EA will do just about anything to squeeze more money out of a sale. See the last two Bioware games. (Mass Effect 2's Cerberus network promised a ton, and delivered a pittance. They didn't wait very long to go right to MS point downloads after they figured they squeezed enough money out of the used game sales.)
Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas, monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.
This was also partially because the built a brand new engine (White engine?) specifically for ff13 with the hopes to use it for 14 as well. I don't know the exact quote. But it was stated, by a Squeenix rep, that this was probably a mistake and they should have gone with the unreal engine to cut back on production time and add more content. So 15 looks to be using Ureal engine 3. (Someone correct or confirm this.)
How many games do you think are ending up like that? I'm pretty positive most of them are. We're going to hit a point where it's no longer the games that look pretty that are the big sellers, and it's going to be the small simple looking games with tons of gameplay and re-playability that sell so well.
The fact that I saw this happen to the Mass Effect series may just prove you right. The thing is, a lot of us can still say "I still loved the game" I still Loved Mass effect 2 even though it's inventory system was striped down and it's XP system was a joke. And I still loved FF13 even though it was basically a 20-30 hour long movie. It's when we, as consumers stop saying that, that we will see changes.
Oh and yeah the only reason I hate Molyneux is because he hypes his games to an extreme that they never amount to. He claims the things you can do are only limited by your imagination but that's simply not the case. I enjoyed both Fable games but they're nothing like he hyped them to be.
It could just be that Molyneux's Imagination is that limited. :D
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The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high
Indeed. I have no problem shelling out $50-60 for a good RTS or strategy game that I know I will get hundreds of hours on gameplay from. However for just about any other genre I will wait for a price drop or buy used. As you say, the big problem is when you get some 5 hour long action game or shooter that is a piss-poor value for money, or the game just flat out sucks. I've noticed the review industry as of late is so paid off it is almost worthless. When was the last time you say a big-name title score less than an 80 from a 'major' review publication? There's no way for consumers to tell other than word of mouth these days, and even then you have to do some digging to filter out the fanboys and idiots. It's kind of sad that in the information age we live in, big corporations have already figured out how to make this information as muddled and unrelaible as possible.
EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games. The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely considering it.
Only partially the reason. The other reason is that EA is on a crusade to quash the second-hand games market. They essentially want to start having product keys for console games so that if you buy a used copy, you will have to buy a new key from them to play online. Mark my words, within 5 years console games will become like PC games and be completely tied to an account and the secondary market will die off. Of course, by doing this the fools are opening a pandoras box and there will be a new age of console piracy that will make them wish for the PC piracy numbers.
Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas, monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.
I don't buy the 'rushed to release' excuse for AAA title games. If something is going to be your company's flagship product for the next year or so, then you spend the extra couple months on it if you need to. They have the money to soak up a couple more months of development, but money can't buy back the disgruntled customers who have forever lost confidence in your company due to a shoddy product. How many people are going to avoid FFXIII-versus like the plague now thanks for FFXIII's medoicrity? Good companies release games 'when they're ready'. Why do people snap up Blizzard and first-party Valve titles without thinking? Because they don't put arbitrary release dates on their games for the sake of pleasing shareholders. There's no concern that, say, Diablo 3 will suck because Blizzard doesn't rush things out the door to make some early sales.
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Only partially the reason. The other reason is that EA is on a crusade to quash the second-hand games market. They essentially want to start having product keys for console games so that if you buy a used copy, you will have to buy a new key from them to play online. Mark my words, within 5 years console games will become like PC games and be completely tied to an account and the secondary market will die off. Of course, by doing this the fools are opening a pandoras box and there will be a new age of console piracy that will make them wish for the PC piracy numbers.
^ This. It is going to bite them in the ass big time.
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Oh it is going to bite them big right on the nuts by a doberman. Also for a game like star craft I would have liked a few expansions after just the first one to tide us gamers over until the next one in the series, I have heard of the people who suicided the first time starcraft 2 got pushed back
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Speaking of Starcraft 2 that JUST came out today.
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yeah got it and nine missions in already
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I'm going to create a thread for b.net account info so we can all swap info and play skirmishes together and stuff.
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A retraction of a previous statement. Star Ocean: TLH IS on the ps3 as Star ocean International.
Still disappointing though.
Edit: Good god I suck for accuracy... JP only so far... Wait, why do I care at all?
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No, you were right the... second time. Star Ocean International came out in English speaking places in February. It is a pretty big disappointment though. Two managed to improve on everything in one, but three improved the combat while gutting most of the other things, and then four went downhill entirely, with both worse combat(which was admittedly still pretty good) and a graphical style that's really creepy.
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No, you were right the... second time. Star Ocean International came out in English speaking places in February.
I blame Tri-ace's website for the mix up. They really should update that damn thing.
It is a pretty big disappointment though. Two managed to improve on everything in one, but three improved the combat while gutting most of the other things,
Two had hilariously God Awful Va's (http://www.zanyvgquotes.com/starocean2/index.html) though. So, for me at least, three is the peak of the series.
and then four went downhill entirely, with both worse combat(which was admittedly still pretty good)
Great rpg game mechanics is a tri-ace specialty. Story telling... not so much. Though they do surprise you occasionally. Case in point, Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume.
and a graphical style that's really creepy.
Yeah, no amount of gigantatity elf chicks in miniskirts can save me from a ship populated by loli's, furries and emo's. I'd seriously be launching people out the airlock day one.
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I agree with Amoeba about 2 being the prime game in the series. Though honestly, none of the Star Oceans had very deep story lines. The 10 Wise men in SO2 are highly undeveloped characters, and yet they're the main villains in the game, that is pretty much a staple for all the games.
SO3 was just... well boring. Not to mention none of the characters are likable at all. (Abel was probably the coolest one there.) They tried to make the creation system make.. more realistic I guess? Well it fell on its face because it was no longer fun.
SO4 is just as boring if not more so. Again, zero likable characters I got 20 or so hours in and the plot was still stupid. Edge was crying about how he sucks. Blah blah blah. It's pretty lame. Oh and the graphical style is just odd. The characters look so weird and stiff. It's almost painful to watch. I remember getting lost in a dungeon because EVERYTHING looks the same. EVERYTHING. They tried so hard to make it pretty (I hope?) and I can't even see the switches to open anything! AHHHHHHHH FRUSTRATING.
I think the series could use a serious reboot. If they're going to use a anime style art and character designs... for the love of god make it look as such. Don't try to make them realistic Tri-Ace. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
Great rpg game mechanics is a tri-ace specialty. Story telling... not so much. Though they do surprise you occasionally. Case in point, Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume.
Haven't played that one. But VP: Lenneth is one of my all time favorite games... like ever. Silmeria isn't quite as good but it's not bad.
I think my two favorite RPG series would have to be Tales and Suikoden (COME ON SUIKODEN 6!)
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VP: CotP is the DS VP title. Surprisingly short but interesting story of revenge and the consequences thereof.
Vp2 was my favorite in the series though. For the very very very shallow reason of seeing 3 great asses sway back and forth on my screen.
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Seriously.
Though VP as a whole, is second only to MegaTen as my all time favorite JRPG series.
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Counting all of MegaTen as one series is a bit unfair. It's somewhere between five to seven, depending on if you think two games qualifies as a series, and about as many singular spin-offs. There's over thirty(Sixteen translated) MegaTen games, not counting ports/remakes, as opposed to the, I think three, VP games.
And since people are saying their favorite RPG series, come on Atlus! We need the original Growlanser translated! It's even out on PSP now! Also, translate four and six while you're at it! Especially four.
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Every MegaTen game I have played i loved. From start to finish. So it might not be fare, but that's how it is for me. :D
Also, my only exposure to the Growlanser series was V, Heritage of War. So I'm all for more being brought over. Right now though, it looks like Atlus is concentrating on the hand held market. With ps2 development and ports stopping and PS3 development finally starting up. So the chances of older Growlanser titles coming over seems sadly slim. (might be a DLC in the future... How is PS3's marketplace? Anything comparable to XBLA? )
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Star ocean has a story and a plot ???
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Only played five? If you ever see a copy of the compilation of Growlansers' two and three in a store, called Generations, you should pick it up then. And promptly throw out two... No idea how the marketplace is as compared to XBLA, as I don't use either, but I highly doubt four will ever see stateside release. Probably not six either, which is a horrible shame. I have some hope for the first one on the PSP though, given that it was released in Japan less than a month ago.
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Star ocean has a story and a plot ???
Yes it does. Who said they don't? I just said they weren't very deep.
Only played five? If you ever see a copy of the compilation of Growlansers' two and three in a store, called Generations, you should pick it up then. And promptly throw out two.
We only have 2,3 and 5 right? Then I played all the ones in the US. Completed them, and loved them.
The only two megaten games I've beaten are Persona 3 and 4. I played most of the other english releases though. Loved the two persona though.
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You know, you can't go wrong with Oblivion, though it's better on PC than the consoles simply for the ease of modding. Same with FO3.
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Yeah, we have been talking a lot about JRPG's. Favorite Western RPG series for me.
Dragon Age
Fallout
Special mention to Mass Effect which isn't really an RPG any more. It's more like a complex action title now.
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We only have 2,3 and 5 right? Then I played all the ones in the US. Completed them, and loved them.
Yep, those are the only ones we got. There are translation patches out for the Langrisser games though, which are to Growlanser what Wasteland is to Fallout. Oh, and you loved two? ??? I mean, the battles were fun, but the rest of the game was...
Favorite western RPG series would have to be Geneforge. Fairly simple game, but I just love the premise behind it. First thing I thought when I read about Clonemaster was "Is DocClox a Geneforge fan?".
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I HATED Dragon Age. I could not get into it for the life of me, and believe me I really tried to like it.
I enjoyed all the other Bioware games though.
Oh, and you loved two? ??? I mean, the battles were fun, but the rest of the game was...
Yeah, well it wasn't the best of the games but I enjoyed it enough to beat it. The only thing I remember hating is that red haired kid who tried to be funny. I liked 3 a lot but I don't remember most of the characters. I might have to go back and play them again.
After Lunar 1 and 2. :)
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I thought Hans was kind of funny, but I tend to think that of any character that annoys all the other characters. I enjoyed it enough to push my way through and get Wolfgang's path, but I hadn't played three yet. After playing three, the battle system wasn't new and fresh anymore, and I just couldn't stomach going back to two.
I have very found memories of Lunar 2. It's the second rpg I had been able to play without my dad beating it in front of me first and ruining the experience.
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The Star Ocean games are pretty much the opposite of every other JRPG. They have really fun battle systems and interesting item systems, but absolutely forgettable story and character development. Even 3, the best of the series gameplay-wise, had such pointless characters you didn't even know the motivations or interests of the main character. Everyone in the game is just kind of...there. Of course 3 wasn't helped by the fact the simply finding the private actions required a FAQ.
The only thing I'll give 4 is that it was the first game to actually involove, you know that thing in the title, SPACE EXPLORATION. Other than that every single one of the characters makes you want to strangle them. Why does my 'crew' consist of emos, lolis, and morons? The cyborg was the only one without some sort of brain damage or emotional baggage, and that's only because he doesn't have emotions. The best is Remi who whines that she's immune to all diseases and toxins. Gee, what a sucky power. Must be rough.
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I submit edge for most obnoxious character. If for no other reason then the gigantic Baaw fest he had for destroying something that technically didn't even exist... Half the game wasted with him moping about, only to be topped by his "YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS! WAAAA!" blow up Speech.
Honorary mention goes to Meracle for no other reason then her "I've done it! Meow!" being forever ingrained in my head thanks to SO4's Item creation set up.
And I actually Liked the characters from SO3. (think I'm in the minority for that) My Only complaint is they seemed to drop Nel's dialogue completely after you recruit her again.
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I liked... some of the characters from SO3.
Crispin Freeman Albel is obviously a bad-ass, but I thought Cliff was a pretty interesting character if you hunt down his private actions. Nel was a walking cliche, but a cliche I think is bit cool. Peppita and Roger can go die in a fire though. I wish SO3 would have had SO2's match making system.
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My vote goes to SO2 having the most likable characters by far.
I hated Cliff, hated the main character, Nel was ok I guess I don't really remember much of her. I guess I'm just not a big fan of SO3. Everything I did felt unsubstantial so I had zero motivation to continue. Gigantic fetch quest after fetch quest. That being said I never actually completed the game, and I don't remember getting any private actions either, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Suikoden is all about story and character interaction, dungeons are short, characters are likable, you get SIX members in a battle, you have actual WARS you fight in. I mean the games are amazing (1,2,3,5) *I refuse the existence of 4*
Arc the lad is a good series if you like strategy games.
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Oh yeah, the Suikoden games are great, but for some reason, after I'm done with them they seem to fade from my memory a bit. Except four. Four was very memorable. Oh, how I loathe four. It wouldn't have been anywhere near so bad if it hadn't been for the time it takes to travel, but to draw that poor-mediocre game out so much was torture.
I want to add in Breath of Fire as one of my favorite series, but that seems wrong. One and two feel like they should be one series, three and four another, with five being a standalone(Which it pretty much was). And while one and two were fairly enjoyable I suppose, I really like four and my god did I love three. I have absolutely horrible luck when it comes to drop-rates in games, but I still stuck it out to get that goddamn Goo King Sword. After three and four, Dragon Quarter was a bit of a disappointment. Going back and playing it now, it's a pretty good roguelike, but when it came out I felt like it had violated my soul.
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Well I liked Breath of Fire 1 and 2 just never beat them. I've been meaning to get around to playing 3 but I just haven't. I loved 4 though. Dragon Quarter was a huge disappointment for me. I never beat it... I haven't beaten any of the Breath of Fires. I'm ashamed! D:
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Since we are throwing out random JRPGS...
I submit Grandia, Dragon Force, Shining in the Darkens Darkness and Vay.
Ok maybe not Vay. All I really remember from that one was a monster that looked like a mentally challenged Minotaur. which was aptly named the "Retardataur" by Working Designs... I actually miss their insane translations.
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I've never played Dragon Force, but Wikipedia's description of it suggests I should. The description reminds me of Brigandine, another game I adore. I haven't played Shining in the Darkens either, but I can't even find it with google, so I can't comment. As for Vay, don't have a Sega-CD, so while it sounds interesting, I'm not going to be able to play it.
*edit* And yet I have a Virtual Boy and an imported copy of Jack Brothers.
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Shining in the Darkness is an Old genesis title. It was kinda a faux 3d dungeon crawl with 3 characters and a fairly entertaining story. It's also the forerunner to Sega's Shinning Force series. I remember Mapping out that god damn dungeon on graph paper and exploring it in full way back in the day.
Vay... not working designs best port. The Retardataur was probably the funniest joke in the game. But I thought it was hilarious back when I saw it and have remembered it ever since.
I do recommend Dragon Force though. Watching 200 Little Pixel People slaughter themselves for your amusement never gets old. Neither does having your generals lob Meteor Showers, "Kamehameha Blasts" and "Hadokens" into the fray get old either. Also you unlock the main villains army for beating the game once. And it's completely broken. Thus, all sorts of fun.
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Oh, Shining in the <i>Darkness</i>. I watched my dad beat that when I was little. And apparently he was playing a four year old game, since it came out shortly after I was born... Sad to say I've only played Soul, Soul 2, Tears, and EXA from the Shining games.
And I'm now going to end up tracking down a copy of Dragon Force this weekend.
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Good god that was a horrid typo on my part.
Also, they are currently working on a fan translation of Dragon Force 2. (Was curious enough to check after I wrote my "synopsis" for DF.) But that will need a Saturn emulator for that I believe. (could be a PS1 title) And it seems to be only like 30-40% done. (working on it since April|May 2009)
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It's hard to find any good emulators anymore. The older consoles have pretty much been perfected, and the current gen is hard to emulate.
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Most of it anyway. I think the DS is the only modern gaming... device that has reliable emulators. Wii, PS2/3, Xbox/360, and even PSP emulators simply aren't up to snuff. Which is a shame, since my 360 red ringed and my PSP has something wrong with it.(Seems like the connection to the battery bits are broken, since I can use it plugged in and replacing the battery did nothing)
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In general, I have noticed that emulators need 1 generation of separation between what it is emulating and the current generation. (Fancy ass way of saying exactly what Amoeba just did. :D ) I figure on three reasons for this.
- Gives emulator dev's time to emulate all the features of the hardware.
- Gives computer hardware time to "equalize" with what it's emulating. You generally need more processing power to emulate in software what has been done in hardware.
- Gives time for a consoles library to be ported over to the Emulator. Dev's spend their time squashing bugs in the emulator that crop up as new rom's are introduced.
PS2 Emulation has an added layer of complexity as well since there are 12 different versions of the console (2 are slim I believe) Some versions of the hardware where poorly supported by sony. Because of this, some of the games that where released during those versions have horrendous backwards compatibility with the PS3. At least when it still had that feature. (Oddly enough, SO3 falls into this category.) It would be assumed that all these versions (including poorly supported ones) would need to be emulated to port over PS2's rather extensive library.
On the flip side, the DS isn't that hard to emulate since it's basically a SNES on roids. (more like fxchip + snes on roids.)
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If you REALLY want to play PS2 games you're better off buying a PS2 and getting Swap Magic. Then buy a big stack of DVDs and play whatever you can find to your hearts content, believe me. It pretty much pays for itself.
If you already have a PS2 then you're in luck! That's one less expense. :)
Modding your PSP isn't worth it anymore. They're stuck on custom firmware 5.0 I don't think you can play newer games on that firmware. Sony finally beat that modding community to the punch... for a while now.
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But Mehzerz, that would be piracy : O.
But really, I try and keep my game playing as legit as possible... Provided there's an English version available for purchase of what I want to play anyway. Mainly because I like having physical copies, even if I prefer to use digital ones, and I do my best to support companies that make good games(And of course, I want to only play good games)
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pcsx2 is a pretty solid emulator, you just have to mess with the settings... a lot
and xbox is a pc emulator, so having an emulator for it would be kinda redundant
anyway, the best thing to do would be to get an old ps3 for ps2/3 games, and play anything else on the pc
360 exclusives are (imo) not worth playing, much less getting a 360
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pcsx2 is a pretty solid emulator, you just have to mess with the settings... a lot
and xbox is a pc emulator, so having an emulator for it would be kinda redundant
anyway, the best thing to do would be to get an old ps3 for ps2/3 games, and play anything else on the pc
360 exclusives are (imo) not worth playing, much less getting a 360
360 > PS3
Are you here just to pick fights and order things to be done your way?
The subject of this thread is PS3 games, not the "360 Bashing Thread".
I guess I'll follow suit with like 3/4 of the forum and put you on ignore.
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you're somewhat of an idiot, aren't you?
first of all, that "imo" stands for "in my opinion", meaning it's an opinion, and not a universal rule
second, I never said anything about the 360 being worse than ps3, I said its exclusives are not a good enough reason to get it, and everything else is on the pc
if you manage to focus both of your brain cells, you'll notice the last few posts being about ps2 and emulation
also, cool irony you've got going on there
please do ignore me, if it'll spare me of your prepubescent outbursts in the future
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you're somewhat of an idiot, aren't you?
first of all, that "imo" stands for "in my opinion", meaning it's an opinion, and not a universal rule
second, I never said anything about the 360 being worse than ps3, I said its exclusives are not a good enough reason to get it, and everything else is on the pc
if you manage to focus both of your brain cells, you'll notice the last few posts being about ps2 and emulation
also, cool irony you've got going on there
please do ignore me, if it'll spare me of your prepubescent outbursts in the future
A) Rumble Roses XX, Dead or Alive 4, Fable 2, plus ACTUAL WORKING backwards compatibility with a myriad of original X-Box games that knock the pants off anything on PS3, back before it became all about showing off technology instead of quality gameplay.
B) Just about every post you make is an argument or a snide remark about something. So far it's been "The *insert something here* sucks", "If you're going to make a game, make it right the first time", and other stuff I can't be fucked looking for. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't speak. Stating that ALL 360 exclusives are available on PC is just ignorant and shows how little you know about the console. Stating that a game should be made bug free, your way, shows your ignorance of the development process and community driven development overall. As I stated previously in another post regarding that, if you want whoremaster done your way, grab the code and do it yourself. Nobody's stopping you, the source is readily available.
C) "please do ignore me, if it'll spare me of your prepubescent outbursts in the future" "you're somewhat of an idiot, aren't you?" I do believe the point is made itself, however, allow me to explain it anyway so you have a clear and concise message. You're the one throwing insults around, you're the one insisting on having things done your way, and you're the one making assumptions about things you obviously don't have any understanding about. If you have something constructive to say that you have actual knowledge of, by all means, post it. If you have a witty remark or a fond memory of a game being discussed, by all means, post it. If you have something that can benefit the conversation, post it. However, if it's an "Oh my god, this console suxx0rz, even though I know nothing about it!" please keep it to yourself.
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no, really, did you even read the post you quoted?
I never said anything about the 360. I said I personally don't consider them good games, and they are are not reason enough to buy the console. everything else (that means everything besides the exclusives) is on the pc.
I explained where I stand on wm when everyone else was doing the same. doc made the poll, and I never pushed anything after that.
the remark about todd howard and making it right the first time was about modding and relying on modding community to bring the game to broader masses, which you'd have known if you were intelligent enough to read what someone wrote before pulling conclusions out of your ass
and just a friendly advice
don't approach anything with "it's ok, it will be moddable"
you're not todd howard, make shit right from the start
you lack intelligence and basic reading comprehension
that is not a snide remark, or an insult, but an observation
here is the definition of the word "ignore" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=dKR&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&defl=en&q=define:ignore&sa=X&ei=3A5bTPXfA4LKOJKitcgP&ved=0CBIQkAE), since you seem to be confused about its meaning
now, start practicing it, and stop shitting up the thread
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But really, I try and keep my game playing as legit as possible... Provided there's an English version available for purchase of what I want to play anyway. Mainly because I like having physical copies, even if I prefer to use digital ones, and I do my best to support companies that make good games(And of course, I want to only play good games)
I tend to add "Games I can only get through Ebay" On the list of things I will emulate. Especially if I can't get the game through XBLA or Gametap.
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I tend to add "Games I can only get through Ebay" On the list of things I will emulate. Especially if I can't get the game through XBLA or Gametap.
This is my policy on emulating stuff as well. What, $60 + $30 shipping for Suikoden 2 you say? How about I pay 50 cents for a blank CD and burn the ISO then?
On a related note, Suikoden VI when Konami? All the loose ends of the series still need to be tied up. Oh, and if one of your writers wants to do a 10-hour long prologue again please strange them. Thanks.
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I bought Xenogears for 40 bucks like 12 years ago. Best purchase I ever made. Found it hidden in a local gamestop one day. I also got Suikoden 2 for about 30 I traded it for Brave Fencer Musashi. Though, Musashi is a great game in itself it's no Suikoden 2.
I would love a Suikoden 6. :( 5 was amazing! Really brought back the series, started to do it's own thing on 3 and I don't even know what happened with 4.
Any games I don't buy are usually japanese imports, unless it's like... a really good game. Play-asia and all those sites charge you an arm and a leg for those games. D:
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With digital downloads there's really not much excuse for companies failing to re-release popular games from the past. With sites like Good Old Games, Steam and Impulse on the PC you can get pretty much any relevant PC game from the last 20 years. Legally. Looking on the PSN under PS1 classics...there's about 20 games on there. And no PS2 section at all, though that's probably because Sony wants you to forget the PS3 could ever play PS2 games.
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I bought Xenogears for 40 bucks like 12 years ago. Best purchase I ever made. Found it hidden in a local gamestop one day. I also got Suikoden 2 for about 30 I traded it for Brave Fencer Musashi. Though, Musashi is a great game in itself it's no Suikoden 2.
Speaking of the Xeno series. I don't think a sequel has ever disappointed me as much as Xenosaga 2 did. That single game killed my fandom. Though I had enough left to appreciate all the callbacks to Abel|Weltall|Fei in Xenosaga 3. Hell of a way to say goodbye to the series.
And no PS2 section at all, though that's probably because Sony wants you to forget the PS3 could ever play PS2 games.
I'm reminded of a quote from a Sony rep that was along the lines of "We already won the Console race. Look at the PS2." when asked about their strategy for the PS3 back when it had "Artificial Scarcity". It's been surmised that the reason Sony dropped PS2 support for the PS3 was to try and entice the PS2 customer base to upgrade.
There was an "Atari 5200ness" to the PS3 when it first came out. A general feeling of "why bother upgrading". Because of the lack of quality games on the system, back when it was first released, the PS3 ended up getting pegged as a $700 Blue-ray player that played PS1 and PS2 games. It's a shame PS3 lost backwards comparability. But it's no where near the dumbest thing Sony has ever pulled on it's customers. (Or on itself for that matter)
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I would love a Suikoden 6. :( 5 was amazing! Really brought back the series, started to do it's own thing on 3 and I don't even know what happened with 4.
I know this is blasphemy in the Suikoden fandom, but three was my favorite. Main reason for that is while I like silent protagonists, I hate the way they're done in Suikoden games(The rest of the games more than makes up for it though). Three gave three main heroes with personality and let you choose one for the main character after getting to know them. That's the main difference I see between three and five anyway.
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I know this is blasphemy in the Suikoden fandom, but three was my favorite. Main reason for that is while I like silent protagonists, I hate the way they're done in Suikoden games(The rest of the games more than makes up for it though). Three gave three main heroes with personality and let you choose one for the main character after getting to know them. That's the main difference I see between three and five anyway.
No you're completely right. Suikoden handles the silent protagonist rather poorly, and all of them have. (From what I remember 5 probably handled it the best) *4 had a pretty cool choice aspect that widely affected the outcome of your hero* But yeah, in Suikoden 1 (Currently replaying) a lot of the "choices" you make aren't even really options. If you pick one they're like "No, I really think you should reconsider" and will say something like that till you pick the correct choice to progress. This is WHEN your hero speaks which is hardly ever.
Still one of my favorite series, and 3 is a big favorite for a lot of people. It was just TOO much of a change for me I guess. I didn't like the new war system from what I remember. (at least it's better than 4's) I haven't played it in a while, but now that you mention it. I just might. I did like all the main characters though... and picking who got which rune was very obvious. My game list is building!
Gotta go back to playing some DEMONS SOULS though. (and finishing Suikoden :x)
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Suikoden III had by far the best character development. It managed to keep a good 50% or so of the cast interesting. Even II and V only really managed to build up the main characters. I didn't even mind the battle system of III that much either, as it added some difficulty to a series known for being piss easy. The only critical failure was recycling the same 4-5 areas over and over again. With a half-dozen more unique dungeons, it could have been the best of the series.
I know a lot of people liked V, but I actually though it was the worst (not counting IV as a real game of course). It had absolutely horrible pacing, and often felt like the game kept going on for no reason. It was also the easiest game to break, creating chacters capable of one-shotting entire groups of enemies. And even if they didn't, you had 5 other characters ready to nuke the poor bastards afterwards.
Though one thing I'll give the entire Suikoden series is that is does a great job on the villians. You genuinely feel kind of bad when you kill most of them, and the crazy ones are usually crazy awesome. Especially compared to the FF series, which usually has utterly forgettable villians. Many of them in post-SNES FF games don't even have any sort of build-up, they just kind of show up, you beat them, and the credits roll.
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Yeah FF is really hit or miss with villains. It always has been. (Surprising since this series is|was lauded for it's villains) We where lucky enough to get 4 and 6 ported over on the SNES and sorta glossed over the "Gigantic Tree Penis of MU" thing in ff5.
Then we went...
- A pushover to a Witch to a Witch to (Surprise) the keychain on your sword (8 suffered from Villain Schizophrenia )
- Ambiguously feminine male to (Surprise again) lengthy callback to FF1 (wtf?)
- City Stomping uber
Godzilla monster who is really the protagonists father to... a Metroid (Seriously SE wtf?) - Yuna was fighting depression in X2 until a Casio powered Uber robot popped out of nowhere.(I give up)
12 and 13 seemed to have "tried" to break from this mold. They really don't just spring the last boss on you as an afterthought anymore. But they're still mediocre villains coming out of FF these days. With the Fal'cie in 13 being the biggest disappointment.
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I can't argue with you there, 3 definitely fleshed out its characters more than any of the others. While I enjoyed 5, I can't really remember the pacing. Though I think I remember doing a lot of things seemingly for no reason. (Something VERY obvious in Suikoden 4 AND in Star Ocean 3 and 4)
Suikoden II's Luca Blight is easily one of the biggest most memorable villains in I've ever encountered in a video game and he's only half way through the game. It takes an army battle where you destroy his squad, THREE ambushes complete with two flanks of archers and a final duel before he goes down. The man was a beast and had no qualms with slaughtering peasants.
Uhh Final Fantasy I only really liked FF6's Kefka (Who some consider the baddest boss in the FF series) who actually destroys the world. And of course Sephiroth. (Who others consider the baddest boss in the FF series) and.. I don't really know his motivation, FF7s story was never fleshed out completely in my opinion. He didn't even know Cloud and yet acted like he did. NOT to mention Cloud was always fucking with him... that game is so confusing. Cloud doesn't even know what's what.
If any game has forgettable villains though, I'd say it's the Tales of games. I seriously can't think of a single memorable bad guy.
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Yeah 7 suffers from some horrible translation problems. (Avalranche lulz)
- Sephiroth wanted to become a god by killing as many people as he possibly could. Sephiroth is embedded in the lifestream and apparently, he can absorb peoples souls when they die and enter into said stream. (ala Jenova's cells) Dropping a meteor on the planet expedites this whole process. Not to mention boosts the lifestreams energy when the planet tries to "heal itself"
- Two things to remember about Cloud. a.) He was a gigantic pussy that was never a part of Soldier. b.) He has absorbed Zacks memories and pretty much took over as Zack after his death. Though cloud isn't aware of this until Sepehiroth points it out to him.
There is way more to it. Like the Jenova Cell Reunion and the fact that the Sephiroth you mostly encounter in the game is an Image (ghost, spirit... whatever) and his real form is trapped in that damn crystal. (the one that becomes Bizarro Sephiroth.)
... wait, this is confusing as all hell. No wonder people went "wtf just happened?" with advent children.
And you are right, the 2 best FF villains are the "delete fucking everything" villains from 6 and 7. Kefka probably the best of the 2 because he is way more relatable. He was given absolute power and abused it the same way someone abuses the Disaster mode in Sim City. Basically Caligula messing with God Mode.
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Yeah 7 suffers from some horrible translation problems. (Avalranche lulz)
- Sephiroth wanted to become a god by killing as many people as he possibly could. Sephiroth is embedded in the lifestream and apparently, he can absorb peoples souls when they die and enter into said stream. (ala Jenova's cells) Dropping a meteor on the planet expedites this whole process. Not to mention boosts the lifestreams energy when the planet tries to "heal itself"
- Two things to remember about Cloud. a.) He was a gigantic pussy that was never a part of Soldier. b.) He has absorbed Zacks memories and pretty much took over as Zack after his death. Though cloud isn't aware of this until Sepehiroth points it out to him.
There is way more to it. Like the Jenova Cell Reunion and the fact that the Sephiroth you mostly encounter in the game is an Image (ghost, spirit... whatever) and his real form is trapped in that damn crystal. (the one that becomes Bizarro Sephiroth.)
... wait, this is confusing as all hell. No wonder people went "wtf just happened?" with advent children.
And you are right, the 2 best FF villains are the "delete fucking everything" villains from 6 and 7. Kefka probably the best of the 2 because he is way more relatable. He was given absolute power and abused it the same way someone abuses the Disaster mode in Sim City. Basically Caligula messing with God Mode.
I loved building a giant city, then unleashing a monster on it and going "OH NO! IT'S GODZILLA! EVERYBODY RUNNNN!"
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The odd things about Kefka is due to creative translating he's much more popular in the west than in Japan.
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The odd things about Kefka is due to creative translating he's much more popular in the west than in Japan.
Are we referencing "Son of a submariner!" and "Wait he says! Do I look like a waiter?"
Those definitely fall so hard into the "So bad it's good category" that they have become classic.
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Who's popular in Japan? Just Sephiroth? I can't think of any other notable major villians. Japan may like Kuja, it's one of the more popular PSone FF games other than 7, I just remember playing most of the game thinking he was a girl.
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I think Gilgamesh is universally beloved by FF fans. But he was less of a Villain and more of a misunderstood idiot.