Whore Master Patch

[Popuri]

Yeah, release it ^_^
Like Pop said I can add it to my mediafire account aswell if need be.

Knowing Lurker like I do, he's probably chomping at the bit to start making packs for your version.

[Lurker]

Knowing Lurker like I do, he's probably chomping at the bit to start making packs for your version.

Rofl! Pretty much yeah. I've got a ton packs i've made while being bored but havnt made girlsx files for. Figured i'd save em untill a new shiny version popped out xD

[Aika]

The next patch is actually not quite ready, I expect it to be ready (barring RL circumstances) by the end of the coming week. Here's an overview of what I've been working on:

I discovered that the fame of the brothel is based on the average of all girls working in it. The happiness of the customers of the brothel is a one-turn average of the happiness of the customers that visited the brothel the previous turn. The bar and casino jobs (besides their whores) do not pull customers from the same pool brothel whores do. Instead, they generate customers. So a girl working in the bar is always going to handle one customer, and get paid a SMALL amount for that, and that customer will not be pulled from the list of customers the whores have to service.

This has complicated the task of generating customers and having them go to the different areas based on fame and happiness. Fame takes a hit every time you hire a new girl. Customer Happiness takes a hit every time Customer Service girl decides to refuse to go to work or (as happens all too often in EX) the customers abuse the poor girl at work and/or she hides under the desk. If I don't address these problems, I'm going to end up with the same problem EX has: The customers wildly unpredictably bounce back and forth between seeing your whores or not. And I'm probably going to end up having to rebalance all of the non-whore jobs, and make some changes to the whore jobs as well.

So, long story short, I'm trying to get a similar system to EX implemented for which areas customers will go, but I'm trying to do it without getting the same problems EX had.

[Lurker]

Sounds good. Keep up the good work.
Getting those annoyances from EX sorted out would be excellent.

[Popuri]

Aika, wondering if I could get your thoughts on something I'd tinkered with via scripting before.  I'd be willing to put in the effort in coding this, if you prefer, just wondering how it'd fit with your vision of the game.

How do you feel about overhauling training?  Instead of simply 'trains her skills', having the option to send a girl somewhere in lieu of a job where she focuses on a skillset?

For example, maybe you send a girl to train with the city watch (or accompany a gang).  Boost combat related stats/skills a small amount, maybe affect your suspicion/disposition.

[Aika]

I've actually got something different in mind for training. I'll be removing the training job completely, and setting things up so that as a girl does her job she'll get better (slowly) at the related stats and skills, barring 'permanent' stats like Beauty. I figure even a mousey girl (low confidence) will eventually get over her fear of crowds if she's forced to sing in front of them on a regular basis.

I found an interesting little bug in the current release, this applies to Vanilla WhoreMaster as well: Cleaning during the day shift CAN cause your filthiness to go negative, and negative filthiness at the start of the night shift will give you extra customers. This will be fixed in the next release.

[Popuri]

I've actually got something different in mind for training. I'll be removing the training job completely, and setting things up so that as a girl does her job she'll get better (slowly) at the related stats and skills, barring 'permanent' stats like Beauty. I figure even a mousey girl (low confidence) will eventually get over her fear of crowds if she's forced to sing in front of them on a regular basis.

Ok!  Sounds good.  Looking forward to seeing what you've got in mind.

[DarkTl]

as a girl does her job she'll get better (slowly) at the related stats and skills, barring 'permanent' stats like Beauty. I figure even a mousey girl (low confidence) will eventually get over her fear of crowds if she's forced to sing in front of them on a regular basis.

And at the same time she'll get worse at some other stats or skills? Otherwise we'll quickly end up with almost perfect characters.

[Shilo]

And at the same time she'll get worse at some other stats or skills? Otherwise we'll quickly end up with almost perfect characters.

Yeah, adventurers will likely get hurt on their adventures and lose beauty due to all the scars and appear unattractive to most customers because of their rough nature and muscles (though some might like it). So Strength could be counter-productive for a job as waitress.

Probably makes sense to have some stats have negative effects on some jobs rather than just getting worse again at certain things.


A girl who does hard work like cleaning duty will also not be really attractive and lose Charisma because of less interaction with customers.
Girls who are attacked on work may also lose Confidence.
Girls who are good at BDSM may scare other customers away but will do great as torturers as well.

Maybe have a value that represents where on the scale between "good" and "slutty" a girl is. The value changes depending on the work she does to around the value that is normal for that kind of work. So girls who work as normal barmaid or cleaners are really close to the "good" end of the scale, those who work as sleazy waiters will end up in the mid with a tendency to the slutty side, strippers are even more slutty and whores on the street are the sluttiest of all.
So if a girl assumes a different job that doesn't fit her level of sluttiness, she will do bad at it at first but very slowly over time move to the level for that job again. That way can't you just change girls out that quickly to fill every role but need to decide in the long run where you want them.

Or cap the actual base stats and some values and require traits to gain the really high levels. But in a way that traits don't add to the base stat as soon as they are acquired but are considered whenever the real stat value is evaluated (aka when displaying them in menus or when the job is done, but internally keep the true base stats and trait additions separated to be able to work with the cap).

[Aika]

Changes coming in the next patch:

Beastiality is removed. Oral, Ecchi, Combat, and Masturbation image categories are in. Oral is working properly, but Ecchi, Combat, and Masturbation still need to be hooked in where appropriate.

Edit: Ecchi and Combat are now working properly. Now I just need to find places to hook Masturbation in. /Edit

Customer happiness is no longer based ONLY on the last turn's happiness. Reputation will now take steps toward last turn's happiness, so you won't suddenly drop from high reputation to low reputation in a single turn anymore. Conversely, you won't jump from low reputation to high reputation in a single turn either. It'll take a few turns.

Brothel fame is no longer based on the average fame of the girls working in the brothel. It will slowly increase if you have high customer happiness, and slowly decrease if you have low customer happiness.

Customers will pick which area they want to go to based on your current fame.

Some notes, for those that want to say I'm mimicking EX. Yes, he gave me the inspiration for the idea, but as I do NOT have access to his code and do NOT know exactly how he coded it in his version, how I implemented it is my idea and mine alone. With the changes to fame and happiness in my version, you will not have to deal with customers being wildly unpredictable as to which areas they will visit. You will not have to deal with customers not wanting to see your whores anymore when you hire on a new girl or buy a new slave. Your fame will gradually increase as you keep your reputation high, and reputation will move toward what the overall customer happiness was last turn.

So far, keeping customers happy is going to be easy. Expect in future patches that I will be rebalancing jobs and changing this.

[Popuri]

Sounds great.

As to people who say you're mimicking EX?  Most innovation is expanding on existing ideas.  It's great to see the game moving again, and I'm looking forward to seeing where you go with it.

Keep up the excellent work.

[Aika]

Nobody's actually saying I'm mimicking EX. I just wanted to nip that one in the bud. You all have been great here. At least here I don't have to deal with the drama shitstorm I dealt with in the Futanaripalace forum, where they started berating me for removing bestiality. Even people who didn't like bestiality were yelling at me for 'censoring' it. -_-;;

So screw them. I've taken my ball to play elsewhere, as far as they're concerned.

[Aika]

The mod seems to be all ready to go, save for one extremely annoying bug I'm trying to track down. The next patch will be uploaded as soon as I figure out what caused the bug and fix it.

[drake]

Cool, looking forward to the oppurtunity tospend some quality time with beatuiful girls again. 

[Aika]

The very annoying bug from last night has been tracked down and squashed, and the game is in final testing before release. Before I release, however, I would like to ask a favor from the local image packers.

The regular girls packs are no longer completely compatible with my game, so I need a starter girls pack to pack with my game. The game has the following image categories:

• Profile (Profile*.jp*g, preg variant Preg*.jp*g) - Normal, non-H pictures of the girl. If it's NSFW, it goes in Ecchi.
• Anal (Anal*.jp*g, preg variant PregAnal*.jp*g) - She has a dick up her butt. Toys don't count.
• BDSM (BDSM*.jp*g, preg variant PregBDSM*.jp*g) - She is tied up. This needs to include whipping/spanking/candleplay/toytorture/etc. Even normal sex works, but she must also be visibly tied up.
• Normal Sex (Sex*.jp*g, preg variant PregSex*.jp*g) - She is engaged in normal sex. Creampie pics don't really count here, as far as I'm concerned that's after the sex happened.
• Oral Sex (Oral*.jp*g, preg variant PregOral*.jp*g) - She has a dick in her mouth or is giving a tit job. Again, pics that just show her covered with cum without showing her still working a dick don't count, that's after the Oral happened.
• Group Sex (Group*.jp*g, preg variant PregGroup*.jp*g) - If there's more than one guy participating, this is where it goes.
• Lesbian Sex (Les*.jp*g, preg variant PregLes*.jp*g) - Two girls, at least one of them must be fondling/licking/rubbing the other.
• Ecchi (Ecchi*.jp*g, preg variant PregEcchi*.jp*g) - Normal pick of the girl in some state of undress or wearing something sexy. No toys here.
• Masturbation (Mast*.jp*g, preg variant PregMas*.jp*g) - Touching herself, toys, whatever. If she's doing it to herself, it goes here.
• Combat (Combat*.jp*g, no preg variant) - She is fighting/in a fighting stance/holding a weapon. If she's being overwhelmed or it looks like she's losing in the picture, it doesn't work here.
• Death (Death*.jp*g, no preg variant) - Pictures where the girl looks like she's hurt. It doesn't necessarily mean she needs to be bloodied up, but she shouldn't be standing or look like she only just fell down.

I would like to see at least one or two pictures in each normal category, and if possible one or two Preg pics as well.

The girlsx or rgirlsx files are going to be similar. No traits have been changed as yet, so this will still use the default traits. The Bestiality skill should be replaced with OralSex (no space).
I would like to have 3 or 4 non-monster random girls, and 2 or so monster random girls in the initial pack. If possible I would like to have 5 or so unique girls, with 1 or 2 of them to be found in the dungeon.
Please do not overpower the stats. No stat should be higher than 40 before traits, except Beauty. Beauty should not go higher than 80 before traits. For skills, no skill should be higher than 30 before traits.