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Game Discussion => General Discussion & Download => Topic started by: LordJerle on September 11, 2010, 02:35:44 PM
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http://www.alternet.org/media/148142/should_we_worry_whether_porn_has_hijacked_our_sexuality/?page=43b222d1b-a8be-47ec-ae87-8b31289f8f1d1.03.01
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*shrug* it's certainly damaged my ability to actually WANT a real relationship, but the parts of it I read (short attention span, yeah) kind of exemplify why I avoid real porn
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Another 'post hoc ergo proper hoc' informally fallacious dribble. I read halfway, then stopped due to being absolutely disgusted at what some of those 'researchers' do to fit confirmation bias.
Seriously, the scientific method is a lot more violated in that article than any porn actress on the net ever was.
There are a lot more underlying factors that lead to today's mainstream perception of sexual relations, and one that are more firmly based in reality than some confirmation bias rant. Namely, increase in GDP@PPP per capita. That alone is responsible for the fact that the western world's population is a lot less likely to go out and find someone to have meaningful relationships with.
Any mention of that in the article? No, porn is the devil and must be banished.
Also, let's not forget the 'child molesters watch porn herpderp' argument. How very quaint, someone should inform miss Dines that slippery slope arguments are STILL very much informal fallacies, and would be best left out of any scientific research.
Perhaps miss Dinas Should Marry Mr. Thompson. I am fairly certain that I heard THAT before, when video games were turning children into killers. They should get along just fine.
God.
Also, for the geeks out there, here's two blog posts that make reasonably more sense. (Skip the WoW references if you don't understand them.)
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/08/blood-elf-porn-once-more.html
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/08/devil-is-sexist.html
Also, a proper article. With proof and all that. And I couldn't detect any fault in it, at least from the form of the discourse. It may still be invalidated, but that is up to everyone to decide.
http://www.csom.umn.edu/Assets/71503.pdf
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I was particularly fond of the bit comparing porn to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, as though people view porn the same way they do shows that give news and political commentary.
Also, I can't say I have a whole lot of sympathy for the "they didn't know what they were getting into" argument. Aside from being forced or actively conned into doing something, simply not looking into a job deep enough to know what's going to be demanded of you is your own damn fault.
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:snip:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/08/devil-is-sexist.html (http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/08/devil-is-sexist.html)
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I read the article, seems ok though I really hate the "the idiots are ruining everything" viewpoint, because of course we are to assume the author himself is not such a creature and its just the faceless masses that are. Just strikes me as elitist and overly cynical personally. As far as the sexism thing goes, the main thing that caught my eye was his comment about despising those who consider women sexual objects and "...that includes those people who dress up like sexual objects in public places...". Seeing as this would include women as well, I have a question for anyone out there who wants to answer.
Do women who dress in a revealing matter deserve some sexual objectification? In other words, are women who show a lot of skin basically asking to be looked at for their bodies, rather then who they are?
Here is another quote from a guest commenter:
"...And this is where this feminist takes issue with you. In the right context, choosing to be a sexual object can be a lot of fun-- and there's nothing wrong with that. Being used -as- a sexual object, on the other hand, is not. What I mean by this, is that there is a significant difference between consciously choosing to present in a way that's sexually provocative in your culture, and having women's bodies used as a means to an end by others. It comes down to personal agency."
Perhaps I should define what objectification means and which is right and wrong. Based on the commenter's quote, it is sexual use, that is to say a man for example who sleeps with a woman simply for her body and afterwards walks away, that is the true evil. It is ok, as long as the woman initiates it (double standard?), for her to "look" like a sexual object, but not "be" one. Objectification itself as implied is being treated sexually, whether visually or otherwise, as the most important part of that person. My definition is similar, but I wish to refine what is right and wrong with my own view, but before I get into that I would like to explain my question a bit.
The reason I ask the question is because I've always been curious if others who hold to equality viewpoints and who would typically be against sexual objectification would oppose or support women who basically objectify, at least visually, themselves. Of course, the objectifing oneself part is debatable, as in some cases like hot weather men and women both will wear clothing that shows the body for simple heat relief. I have also been told by one woman that wore a simple tank top that she considered it comfortable, and didn't see in sexual terms. On the other hand, some women clearly wear things that expose a lot of cleavage and other skin in environments where it is not neccessary, such as an air-conditioned office workplace, and it is difficult to argue that such clothing is simply "comfortable".
Personally I have always had a problem with the idea that men should not look at women sexually first even if they themselves are portraying themselves that way. My view is that women who dress themselves in a provocative way shouldn't be surprised if they are looked at for their bodies rather then their minds, nor should those around them condemn the men who do look in this matter as "shallow", when the women are themselves dressing and portraying themselves as "shallow".
This is not to say that such women cannot be valued for something other then their bodies, I have met women who dressed in such a manner but I came to like their personality or beliefs in addition to their body. What I am arguing against is the idea that somehow all sexual objectification is bad. If a man comes on or comments on (in a reserved way) a woman who dresses provactively, this is not wrong, even if she doesn't neccessarily approve. He is responding to what is essentially an advertisement. HOWEVER, if he continues to harrass her after she has made clear that she doesn't desire his attention, then he crosses into sleazebag territory, with his actions essentially criminal in nature.
In the end, as the commenter said, it depends on personal agency. A woman should be able to freely dress as she likes, without legal or social sanctions, like being called a whore or being stoned to death (*cough* religious law *cough*). On the other hand, a man should be able to look at and even express his desire, again in a way that tries to avoid being intimidating or callous, without sanction. The woman in question is free to reject any advances he makes, and cry harrassment if he continues coming on to her or making comments, but he should be able to look as he likes and that should not be considered "rude".
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I find it interesting how all you men tend to spend so much time typing up such a long response that'll probably ultimately end up going completely off-topic, given the nature of practically every thread on this site.
Though, that may not be fair. I'm guilty of the same thing. Yet we all, at one point, say "It's the internet. Why are you arguing on the internet?"
On topic:
Yup. I love me some rape. I'm definitely a monster who rapes men and women left and right every day. I'm not some kind of shutaway that masturbates practically every day because I don't want to get a date. Every single person that has sexual urges loves them some rape, too. And since everyone has sexual urges and feels the effects of lust, that means everyone wants to rape. And since there's no difference between wanting to/fantasizing/playing a game that simulates it and actually doing so, that means everyone rapes everyone else. And you know what else? Looking at porn definitely makes you rape people. Always. No matter what-- ignore the fact that the majority of people who masturbate to this stuff are probably virgins who live in their parents' basements who write 2-hour responses to things that don't matter and love fritos, tab, and mountain dew. Ignore reality for a moment. Everyone wants to rape everyone else. We should all sue each other for sexual harassment.
Now if we only had...
Ah. Here he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5I9TWMA4U8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5I9TWMA4U8&feature=related)
Sexual harassment~ Paaaanda~!
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what I find surprising is that you actually stopped and decided this should be given importance, which would be considered the equivalent of the denial you'd expect from a kid who just got caught with his hands in the cookie pot
*search Sonali Kolhatkar
>war on terror, women's rights in afghanistan
well, alrig-
*search Gail Dines
>radical feminist, anal sex, feminist views on pornography, anti-pornography movement, facial (sex act), heterosexism, adventures in pornland, "penn, porn and me"
right, I have a problem with porn
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Dunno what its like in the rest of the world, but living in south-central Alaska I have this to say.
The women I see walking around downtown in a miniskirt and tank-top, when there's 3 feet of snow in December... they are asking to be looked at as sexual objects. ::)
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For the record, I like my boobs as large as possible. But I make my girls in AG3 clumsy and nearsighted so I can take em from behind when they trip and fall, so I guess that makes me a rapist. LOL...
3b222d1b-a8be-47ec-ae87-8b31289f8f1d1.03.01
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Dunno what its like in the rest of the world, but living in south-central Alaska I have this to say.
The women I see walking around downtown in a miniskirt and tank-top, when there's 3 feet of snow in December... they are asking to be looked at as sexual objects. ::)
Their nipples can cut DIAMONDS.
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what I find surprising is that you actually stopped and decided this should be given importance, which would be considered the equivalent of the denial you'd expect from a kid who just got caught with his hands in the cookie pot
*search Sonali Kolhatkar
>war on terror, women's rights in afghanistan
well, alrig-
*search Gail Dines
>radical feminist, anal sex, feminist views on pornography, anti-pornography movement, facial (sex act), heterosexism, adventures in pornland, "penn, porn and me"
right, I have a problem with porn
Sorry, I just can't help it when someone's wrong on the internet.
http://xkcd.com/386/
Seriously now, it's only my opinion. I have one too, but I'm not sanctimonious enough to write a book about it then preach it's the absolute truth.
*shrug. It's a forum, we discuss stuff.
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Though, that may not be fair. I'm guilty of the same thing. Yet we all, at one point, say "It's the internet. Why are you arguing on the internet?"
I've always been found of the witticism "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Nobody needs your god-damned approval to find it rewarding" I for one love to argue.
...Which means this thread really annoys me. By all means, I should be able to put forth some sort of argument with somebody, but GmanPrime pretty much said everything I might want to on the subject.
Well, accept for keeping in mind the idea that someone might dress a certain way without thinking about how it's provocative, which varies from culture to culture, and instead do it because they like the way it looks. This isn't a perfect example, but my step-sister went to an anime convention last year wearing a gothic lolita dress. She was rather shocked and disgusted to find out that a short petite pale blonde girl in that outfit was fetish fuel for some of the guys there. But then, this is a pretty poor example given that she's thirteen and selectively mute. Noone should've been hitting on her in the first place.
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@kayz
no, I'm all for discussion and arguing on the internet, I just don't see why this particular article is even given a second glance
I mean, it's pretty obvious porn has affected/influenced this gail dines' life far more than anyone's here
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Because people like to mock stupid people, hypocrites and politicians. ;)
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I find one of the first lines very intereresting. Porn doesn't look the same as it has been 10 years ago. My question would be in what world does he live in. Nothing looks like 10 years ago (Maybe the fashion^^). TV doesn't look the same, games don't look the same even books are different. Why should porn be the acception?
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I've always been found of the witticism "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Nobody needs your god-damned approval to find it rewarding" I for one love to argue.
...Which means this thread really annoys me. By all means, I should be able to put forth some sort of argument with somebody, but GmanPrime pretty much said everything I might want to on the subject.
Well, accept for keeping in mind the idea that someone might dress a certain way without thinking about how it's provocative, which varies from culture to culture, and instead do it because they like the way it looks. This isn't a perfect example, but my step-sister went to an anime convention last year wearing a gothic lolita dress. She was rather shocked and disgusted to find out that a short petite pale blonde girl in that outfit was fetish fuel for some of the guys there. But then, this is a pretty poor example given that she's thirteen and selectively mute. Noone should've been hitting on her in the first place.
Yeah, I've actually seen the whole dressing provactively without thinking example. My friend and co-worker was wearing a loose-fitting top which showed only a little bit of cleavage when standing up, and was helping some students with some work in a computer lab. She kept getting an unusually high number of (male) students visiting her, and it wasn't until one of the other male co-workers who visited her as well commented on how nice her breasts were that she realized what was happening. Apparently because of the way she was sitting and leaning forward the guys could see practically everything. She was terribly embarressed and wanted to kill that guy, fortunately for all no one was put in a body bag, but the guy did get chewed out in public. :D
Oh, and she was a very attractive woman in her late thirties, who looked better then most twenty somethings, and she was married. Probably should have realized the effect she has on guys, but I guess a lot of women just don't think about these things. My point was that those guys weren't bad or anything for looking, crass maybe but not bad, and others should respect that.
Its unfortunate about your step-sister though, I can see why a thirteen-year old girl is not thinking about fetishes, especially when those gothic outfits actually reveal a lot less then your average teen outfit anyways. It was probably more a matter of some lolicons looking for a girl to ogle than anything else, but I've never understood the appeal of fetish fuel all that much myself. I'm guessing though the fact she was mute just made the problem worse, you should probably explain the concept of moe to her before she ends up surrounded by squeeing guys and her faith in humanity goes down the toilet, if it hasn't already.
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Gman, you are a far more verbose and persuasive talker than your namesake, I salute you, and Amoeba, for very good points I hadn't even considered. :-[
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I find one of the first lines very intereresting. Porn doesn't look the same as it has been 10 years ago. My question would be in what world does he live in. Nothing looks like 10 years ago (Maybe the fashion^^). TV doesn't look the same, games don't look the same even books are different. Why should porn be the acception?
Indeed.
and before the 1980's, when the primary hard core porn medium was Super 8 reels, I guess JohnHolmes was ever so tender ass fucking Seka, Serena, and anything else with a hole. And the Bondage magazines of the time I got hold of ..... must be the fog of memory that I recall showing a general theme of someone breaking in to a woman's house, tying her up, and torturing/raping her into orgasms. Odd side bar, while I did later find the BDSM culture I've never touched a woman without her express consent.
While this is certainly anecdotal, I find the concept of modern porn screwing up relationships about as credible as "Grand Theft Auto Made Me Do It!!!", or blaming Judas Priest for a very screwed up young man comitting suicide.
I never tried to run off a cliff after watching the RoadRunner, either. Go figure.
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Probably should have realized the effect she has on guys, but I guess a lot of women just don't think about these things.
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See, that's what I'm not understanding. Those clothes did not buy themselves or put themselves on on her. I mean... seriously. How can you not think about 'these things', when putting them on in front of a mirror?
I mean, it takes a special kind of cloudheadedness to not know this. This doesn't even fall in the realm of common sense. This fall in the realm of "Well, DUH, what did you THINK was going to happen?"
Not saying that they don't have the freedom to do whatever they wish. However, being surprised when the inevitable happens? I'm speechless.
As for the other point, I could see why gothic lolita would not be common sense especially for someone so young. Not blaming her for that, and good thing nothing much happened to her.
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*Takes off my clothes and goes outside*
Well, I didn't know men have penises and would've raped me! It's all their fault, ever!
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*Takes off my clothes and goes outside*
Well, I didn't know men have penises and would've raped me! It's all their fault, ever!
I have that as an oblivion mod xD.
You walk around naked, you get raped. LOL...
3b222d1b-a8be-47ec-ae87-8b31289f8f1d1.03.01
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*Takes off my clothes and goes outside*
Well, I didn't know men have penises and would've raped me! It's all their fault, ever!
sad thing is some women have done that and successfully sued the "assaulter" even though said "assaulter"was just trying to aid her home
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Gman, you are a far more verbose and persuasive talker than your namesake, I salute you, and Amoeba, for very good points I hadn't even considered. :-[
Thanks, I always think I post some godawful crap that makes people cringe, its nice someone appreciates it. :) To be honest I was tempted to post and then not check the responses (I'm pretty cowardly), but I'm waiting for a video to load so ehh.
See, that's what I'm not understanding. Those clothes did not buy themselves or put themselves on on her. I mean... seriously. How can you not think about 'these things', when putting them on in front of a mirror?
I mean, it takes a special kind of cloudheadedness to not know this. This doesn't even fall in the realm of common sense. This fall in the realm of "Well, DUH, what did you THINK was going to happen?"
Not saying that they don't have the freedom to do whatever they wish. However, being surprised when the inevitable happens? I'm speechless.
As for the other point, I could see why gothic lolita would not be common sense especially for someone so young. Not blaming her for that, and good thing nothing much happened to her.
Well thats the thing that sets me off a bit too. I have to remind myself that there really are a lot of women out there that truly don't think about sex appeal that much in clothing. They want to look cute or attractive but for many of them its simply a matter of whats fashionable or what fits well, and covering up isn't always practical in that sense. Trying to find a well-fitting outfit for a teen girl for example that's conservative is an exercise in frustration from what I hear. I've met several trustworthy women who've told me this, so despite what seems like common sense, apparently its difficult to dress conservatively nowadays, and if you grow up in an environment where every other outfit has a short skirt, then perhaps the women learn to just accept that sort of thing.
Still, I can't help but think they should know better, and its hard to accept that they aren't trying to manipulate men with the clothing they wear. I'm sure of course that some women want to be ogled, and may think dressing like a hooker is a way to a guy's heart, but initially all it does is tick me off because of the (somewhat pleasant) distraction and that they are attracting the wrong kind of attention which may end up hurting them in the long run. It also annoys me because I'd rather not have to fight off five other guys to talk to someone hot, far better for them to cover up so I have a better chance. ;) Sorry about the rant, but the clothing thing is a pet peeve of mine.
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that is why we at M.O.E. (movement of equality) work hard to bring this sort of thing to the general public's attention
us guys dress in tight-fitting clothing, you know the stuff, unbuttoned collar to show off the chest, short sleeves that are tight around the biceps, shirts that are just elastic enough so that they emphasize our muscles and show our abs when we pull them up to "wipe our foreheads"
then, when innocent young girls come over and they're all like: "oooh, can we touch them?", we're all like: "oh, I don't know..." while we're flexing and shit, and then, when they sheepishly reach out for our manly flesh, we scream bloody murder, and sue their socks off for sexual harassment and objectification
sometimes they don't fall for the bait, so we have to provoke them by doing the mc hammer and taunting them with "can't touch this"
never fails
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I'm afraid I can't agree with the "it's difficult to find conservative clothing" argument. Just because you can't buy a modest skirt or a conservative pair of jeans at Hot Topic, doesn't mean they're not available. I know plenty of young girls who manage not to dress provocatively on a daily basis, they're just not the type of girls who go out to bars or clubs most nights. Now conservative clothing that's *fashionable* is a different argument, but the thing about what is and isn't fashionable is that it's really decided by what the people are actually wearing.
As to rape, I don't think there's clothes a girl can wear that qualify her as "asking for it" short of being crotchless and having arrows pointing down and saying "use these," but unwanted looks and unwanted sex are two very different things.
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Right. Rape and ogling are different things.
Women should take responsibility for the ogling thing if they know what they're doing. I mean, if you look at yourself in the mirror and see the words "Cum Slut" written on your shirt, you can't be THAT oblivious. That's not oblivious. That's just retarded.
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Right. Rape and ogling are different things.
Women should take responsibility for the ogling thing if they know what they're doing. I mean, if you look at yourself in the mirror and see the words "Cum Slut" written on your shirt, you can't be THAT oblivious. That's not oblivious. That's just retarded.
That's an actual shirt?
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That's an actual shirt?
There are shirts like that. Not sure if there's one that actually says that. Definitely the "Slut" part, though.
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Its unfortunate about your step-sister though, I can see why a thirteen-year old girl is not thinking about fetishes, especially when those gothic outfits actually reveal a lot less then your average teen outfit anyways. It was probably more a matter of some lolicons looking for a girl to ogle than anything else, but I've never understood the appeal of fetish fuel all that much myself. I'm guessing though the fact she was mute just made the problem worse, you should probably explain the concept of moe to her before she ends up surrounded by squeeing guys and her faith in humanity goes down the toilet, if it hasn't already.
Being mute made things a good bit worse. If I had been just chaperoning her, I think I could've kept anything from happening, but with her friends there and her not being able to speak, things didn't go too well. Noone dragged her off at least. And she knew what moe is, but she has pretty severe self-esteem and anxiety issues. She didn't think she qualified.
As for the other point, I could see why gothic lolita would not be common sense especially for someone so young. Not blaming her for that, and good thing nothing much happened to her.
Sadly some things did happen. I caught some guy with his hand up her skirt at one point. Found the fact that somebody would do that rather shocking, especially since I was standing right next to her at the time. I'm a big guy, and yet he just ignored the bruiser standing next to her.
There are shirts like that. Not sure if there's one that actually says that. Definitely the "Slut" part, though.
*edit* This part didn't show up for some reason. http://t-shirts.cafepress.co.uk/cumslut I've seen women wearing the middle one. I've seen one of said women yelling at a guy staring at her chest.
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I caught some guy with his hand up her skirt at one point. Found the fact that somebody would do that rather shocking, especially since I was standing right next to her at the time. I'm a big guy, and yet he just ignored the bruiser standing next to her.
There are certain educational techniques you can apply in these cases. Try to leave them so they have some teeth left at the end of the lesson.
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There are certain educational techniques you can apply in these cases. Try to leave them so they have some teeth left at the end of the lesson.
It was a pretty crowded and I didn't want to make a scene due to her anxiety issues. I did however make sure his fingers cracked and snapped when I pulled his hand away. Part me of me very much hopes that he was an artist and that was his good hand.
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nice and that is the kind of thing that makes me glad I don't have younger sisters
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One thing to consider is words mean different things to different people - bitch becoming a 'good' word to feminists is a decent example I think - or black being what those of a more African decent prefer to be called (at the time of slavery black was the more negative term - black of soul type connotations) - there are women (and men) who simply DO NOT KNOW what these words mean. :-\
I salute you for a calmer head than mine, if I'd caught some guy with his hands up MY little sisters skirt I doubt he'd have had a hand TO remove. :-[
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Sadly some things did happen. I caught some guy with his hand up her skirt at one point. Found the fact that somebody would do that rather shocking, especially since I was standing right next to her at the time. I'm a big guy, and yet he just ignored the bruiser standing next to her.
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Castration.
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Being mute made things a good bit worse. If I had been just chaperoning her, I think I could've kept anything from happening, but with her friends there and her not being able to speak, things didn't go too well. Noone dragged her off at least. And she knew what moe is, but she has pretty severe self-esteem and anxiety issues. She didn't think she qualified.
Sadly some things did happen. I caught some guy with his hand up her skirt at one point. Found the fact that somebody would do that rather shocking, especially since I was standing right next to her at the time. I'm a big guy, and yet he just ignored the bruiser standing next to her.
Wow. Now THERE is someone who needs to be thrown into Genpop at Ryker's Island dressed in a tutu with "mole" (not moe, mole. Prison slang for molester) tattoed on his forehead.
That, unfortunately is exactly the kind of vermin that gives rise to skewed studies and screaming that it's the fantasy material at fault while completely denying personal responsibility for the difference between fantasy and shit you just don't do. EVER.
Just a suggestion, if your stepsister hasn't been forever scared off going out in public invest in some accupressure lessons. If you know where the nerve clusters are you can cause excruciating and lasting pain without ever leaving a mark that qualifies as evidence.
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yes, you're all regular rambo(es)
I know it's not any of my business, and I was going to just let it go, but with all the helpful advice being thrown around, fuck it
what I can't possibly grasp is why you would let your 13 year old sister go to a con dressed like that?
I mean, I understand you may have wanted her to get to terms with her insecurities, anxiety, or whatnot, but you know what cons are, and you know what kind of people go there
you have to take care of your goddamn sister, man
not derpbetuffguycastrate
take care of her
I know it's easy being the general after the battle, but fucking christ, man
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I for one, wouldn't have a lot of say over where my sister goes, my comment was more an indication of anger management issues on my part.
As for letting them go dressed like that, they dress as the magazines they read tell them to dress (or so I assume listening to them) in the fashions the magazines tell them are 'cool'. which makes me extra glad I live where I do, makes a lot of the so called fashions simply impractical ;D
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yes, you're all regular rambo(es)
If this is meant to apply to me, I just want to point out I'm 6' 4", weigh around three-hundred-fifty pounds, and boxed while I was in highschool, which I only got out of this year. Bruiser is an accurate description for me.
I know it's not any of my business, and I was going to just let it go, but with all the helpful advice being thrown around, fuck it
what I can't possibly grasp is why you would let your 13 year old sister go to a con dressed like that?
I mean, I understand you may have wanted her to get to terms with her insecurities, anxiety, or whatnot, but you know what cons are, and you know what kind of people go there
While I get that now, I'm surprised that you think it's unreasonable for me to have thought a thirteen year old girl wouldn't get molested while standing next to me. I did expect creeps to try and talk to her, but since I was there with her I didn't think anything would happen. And while this doesn't make too much difference, I'd never actually been to a convention before so I was under-prepared in terms of the difficulty of keeping track of the girls.
That said, I don't think letting her go dressed that way was a mistake. The mistake was letting myself get distracted by the crazy shit around me. Nothing happened after I caught to guy with his hand up her skirt because I made sure it didn't.
you have to take care of your goddamn sister, man
not derpbetuffguycastrate
take care of her
Agreed. I just expected the "tuffguy" thing to act as a helluva good deterrent.
I know it's easy being the general after the battle, but fucking christ, man
Oh yeah, I made plenty of mistakes. They were based on what I think were reasonable assumptions though.
Just a suggestion, if your stepsister hasn't been forever scared off going out in public invest in some accupressure lessons. If you know where the nerve clusters are you can cause excruciating and lasting pain without ever leaving a mark that qualifies as evidence.
I wouldn't worry about leaving evidence if someone did something like that again. Either they say something, I get off lightly or completely due to the situation, and they have to deal with being arrested, or they keep quiet because they were trying to molest a young girl and don't want people to find out. I mangled the one guys fingers and he barely made a sound, so I don't think I've got anything to worry about.
I for one, wouldn't have a lot of say over where my sister goes, my comment was more an indication of anger management issues on my part.
As for letting them go dressed like that, they dress as the magazines they read tell them to dress (or so I assume listening to them) in the fashions the magazines tell them are 'cool'. which makes me extra glad I live where I do, makes a lot of the so called fashions simply impractical ;D
I probably have a lot of say over what my stepsister does, but I'm a big softy and have trouble telling her no. Luckily she's not really the type to follow fashions, but she likes the Gothic Lolita style and wanted to wear the dress, since she never wore it before because she was afraid of how much she'd stand out in public.
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no, the tough guy crap was not directed at you
I have three younger sisters, and I've had my share of this stuff, I'm just speaking from sympathy
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If this is meant to apply to me, I just want to point out I'm 6' 4", weigh around three-hundred-fifty pounds, and boxed while I was in highschool, which I only got out of this year. Bruiser is an accurate description for me.
While I get that now, I'm surprised that you think it's unreasonable for me to have thought a thirteen year old girl wouldn't get molested while standing next to me. I did expect creeps to try and talk to her, but since I was there with her I didn't think anything would happen. And while this doesn't make too much difference, I'd never actually been to a convention before so I was under-prepared in terms of the difficulty of keeping track of the girls.
That said, I don't think letting her go dressed that way was a mistake. The mistake was letting myself get distracted by the crazy shit around me. Nothing happened after I caught to guy with his hand up her skirt because I made sure it didn't.
Agreed. I just expected the "tuffguy" thing to act as a helluva good deterrent.
Oh yeah, I made plenty of mistakes. They were based on what I think were reasonable assumptions though.
I wouldn't worry about leaving evidence if someone did something like that again. Either they say something, I get off lightly or completely due to the situation, and they have to deal with being arrested, or they keep quiet because they were trying to molest a young girl and don't want people to find out. I mangled the one guys fingers and he barely made a sound, so I don't think I've got anything to worry about.
I probably have a lot of say over what my stepsister does, but I'm a big softy and have trouble telling her no. Luckily she's not really the type to follow fashions, but she likes the Gothic Lolita style and wanted to wear the dress, since she never wore it before because she was afraid of how much she'd stand out in public.
I certainly don't think it was unreasonable for her to go in the Goth Loli outfit, it's a head to toe thing ( if I recall correctly) although I think it's inappropriate to touch a woman uninvited even if she's dressed as Vampirella. You get crowds, you get opportunistic predators who think they can take advantage of said crowd easily.
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I certainly don't think it was unreasonable for her to go in the Goth Loli outfit, it's a head to toe thing ( if I recall correctly) although I think it's inappropriate to touch a woman uninvited even if she's dressed as Vampirella. You get crowds, you get opportunistic predators who think they can take advantage of said crowd easily.
Otaku watch too much hentai.
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Otaku watch too much hentai.
actually he is more correct then most people think. there are a lot of things that go down at cons that most people don't even think about when they go there but they happen(molestation for one)
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actually he is more correct then most people think. there are a lot of things that go down at cons that most people don't even think about when they go there but they happen(molestation for one)
Of all the fucking Japanese cultural nuances to emulate... (I get to do Chikan Lol)
Or is it just the ramifications of letting a heard of basement dwellers with Asperger's Syndrome out into the light to see boobies up close?
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I have this odd urge to do a game called "Chikan Boo" which crosses the Japanese fetish for molesting girls on trains with the disguised giant chicken from Animaniacs.
"Oh you wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man, you're a chikan, Boo."
What can I say? Life's been weird lately...
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I have this odd urge to do a game called "Chikan Boo"
I stopped reading there. I'll get back to ya when I can breath again. LMAO :D
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actually he is more correct then most people think. there are a lot of things that go down at cons that most people don't even think about when they go there but they happen(molestation for one)
I hit hard enough to break bones. If a guy touches me like that, he's never getting a bone again.
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that's not how bones work, bro
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that's not how bones work, bro
I'll smash them.
I'll cut them.
I'll rip them off.