General Discussion

[Xela]

I guess slaves could have more stats than free girls. The problem is, what should happen to those stats if you free them.

That will not work... same stats should exist for every girls, just have different effect on the game. That's why I've said that we need to discuss it before I start coding the system.

[DarkTl]

Oh, well, I need some time to download and examine the latest version of Huntsman's game. It's been awhile.
So you probably could add clones (or maybe add "return to main menu" button to game over screen) meanwhile.

[Xela]

So you probably could add clones (or maybe add "return to main menu" button to game over screen) meanwhile.

I still have some rescaling and recoding to do. Right now the two very important classes that must be recoded are:

- Building/Brothel
- Customer

[DarkTl]

There should be very serious obstacles for both enslaving and freeing. Because of the slave riot and game balance if nothing else.

Also, right now slaves are much more useful than free girls. Even though they are not free, it's still easier to obtain them, train and use as you wish than do girlsmeets with free ones, hire and then pay to them.

One option is to statutory limit the number of slaves, for example, no more than 20-30% of the total girls amount per building (again, slave riot and stuff). Another one is to add a new stat to MC (like leadership or domination), and to limit the total number of slaves according to it.
In addition to it maybe add a slaves guild, where you should buy rights to own more than 1-2 slaves.

[Xela]

One option is to statutory limit the number of slaves, for example, no more than 20-30% of the total girls amount per building (again, slave riot and stuff). Another one is to add a new stat to MC (like leadership or domination), and to limit the total number of slaves according to it.
In addition to it maybe add a slaves guild, where you should buy rights to own more than 1-2 slaves.

I don't like hard limitations, my own ideas:
- Ownership permit (not too expensive, to be obtained after hearing an explanation from NPC)
- Powerful Religious organization (that is rumored to be the driving force or at least partly responsible for uprising and war that's followed and started the new age)
* They will confiscate slaves for a while if they're mistreated or permanently for preparative offenses, Slave Guild will be a powerful counter-balancing agent but only if player's a member and player can only have membership in one guild at a time or even per game play.
* Require assurances
- Taxes for ownership (exist already)
- Untrained will try to fight/refuse work/try to escape (require guards)

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With that, the difference between free/slave will be very real and have direct consequences to gameplay.

[DarkTl]

Captured rmg should should have the minimum possible training (maybe even much less trained than any girl from the slavemarket, like negative values or something). And you cannot start training/sell them until you make them slaves (and pay to the slaves guild again for that).
Yet you can talk/rob/rape/just let go/kill/hold in dungeon for some time/etc them without enslavement.

In order to free a slave again a certain sum required, and maybe "ideal" slaves (trained to max and with very high disposition) could refuse it.
Not sure how else we could limit slaves liberation, ecxept slaves guild penalties.

Also I wonder if we should allow enslavement of free city girls, like wm-like capturing/holding in dungeon. Maybe we could, but this should be illegal and, thus, dangerous to MC and his business.

[Xela]

Captured rmg should should have the minimum possible training (maybe even much less trained than any girl from the slavemarket, like negative values or something). And you cannot start training/sell them until you make them slaves (and pay to the slaves guild again for that).
Yet you can talk/rob/rape/just let go/kill/hold in dungeon for some time/etc them without enslavement.

In order to free a slave again a certain sum required, and maybe "ideal" slaves (trained to max and with very high disposition) could refuse it.
Not sure how else we could limit slaves liberation, ecxept slaves guild penalties.

Also I wonder if we should allow enslavement of free city girls, like wm-like capturing/holding in dungeon. Maybe we could, but this should be illegal and, thus, dangerous to MC and his business.

Something simpler is required, these options are too numerous.

[DarkTl]

Well, if we'll have EE similar to the first Huntsman's game (our forest), we might as well use a similar capturing system.

[Xela]

Well, if we'll have EE similar to the first Huntsman's game (our forest), we might as well use a similar capturing system.

I never got too far... some stuff about his games is a bit repulsive. I've only played earlier version of Valet Pletej to really get into the game.

[DarkTl]

All right, let me describe it then.
Girls capturing there is a scripted quest, almost like fights with monsters. Basically, you go to the forest (the futher you go, the better girls you can find, but it is deadly dangerous without good equipment) and start to look for girls. You could look for them manually, set a trap or two, maybe something else, I don't remember everything.

Now, when you find one, you can either attack her (during it either capture or kill, killing is easier but much less profitable) if you close enough, try to sneak up on her (equipment/skills required), try to use devices like hunting network, try to catch up with her if she is runnig away, etc, etc. Or you can catch someone in a trap with a certain probability (traps are not free and are disposable).
After successful capture you can rape her (that's how MC gains exp and levels there btw), kill, release, escort in the town and sell... There are less pleasant options, let's omit them. You know Huntsman, he just loves that guro stuff.
Oh, you also have to watch over your prisoner, so you are restricted in actions.

I'm not telling that we should copy it, but we could use some ideas.

[Xela]

Right, we'll see where the exploration engine will lead us and decide what's best. For now, after I am done with the review, I guess we've decided to do the ST first. So any ideas/input on stats, flags, NPCs, locations and etc are appreciated. I have some ideas of my own but would love to hear some from everyone first.

[DarkTl]

I took a look at the final build of Valet Pletej, very impressive work.

Comparing general stats, we don't have exoticism (prolly an overkill as a whole stat, we do have angels, demons, androids and stuff, unlike Huntsman), sensitivity (no idea), obedience (just like in SM, we most likely need that stat), pride (I think it's almost like obedience on the contrary, and it's very similar to character, so I'm not sure).

Skills are cleaning (=service), cookery (too deep micromanagement, I think), healing (maybe we could use it in some way), clerical work (for a slave that's a very strange skill, on the other hand we could use it as an intelligence based skill), fighting and magic (not with our prehistory), escort (maybe), singing/dancing/music (probably good enough subskills) aaand let's avoid pet/pony training and skills.

Sex skills that we don't have are petting (we could use it, probably), bdsm (must have, like in wm) and very perverted and strange things in fetish and xenophilia departments that I don't want to train or even see 

Maybe we could use skills as substats, like escort for refinement or something. In SM3 there are some substats, you could take a look.

[DarkTl]

There are also some hidden stats that could be seen in slave's aura, if you want more advanced psychology imitation.

Altogether, unlike many other systems, I have no idea how exactly out slavetraining should look, so I only can throw you some ideas here.

[DarkTl]

Oh, I almost forgot about group stat from wm (and SM has something like that as well).

[CherryWood]

I have something I don't understand at all 
I did this in pyt - screens - arena_inside.rpy:

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                 frame:
                     background Null()
                     minimum(426, 376)
                     maximum(426, 376)
                     xfill True
-                    add(l_team[0].show("battle", resize=(426, 376), cache=True)) align(0.5, 0.5)
+                    if l_team[0].has_image("fighting"):
+                        add(l_team[0].show("fighting", resize=(426, 376), cache=True)) align(0.5, 0.5)
+                    else:
+                        add(l_team[0].show("battle", resize=(426, 376), cache=True)) align(0.5, 0.5)
                     use pyt_arena_stats(l_team[0])It works OK for girls, but now MC and arena fighters are not using combat pics anymore, but only battle_sprite pics.  But how? The code before and the one in Else: part are the same...
How could    if l_team[0].has_image("fighting"):  be True for MC?