General Discussion

[Xela]

Lol, that's Xela for you 

Yeah, yeah, I know

Wrong. In order to advance one prostitute to tier two, you need two in tier one. In order to advance one to tier three, you need two in tier two. In order to advance one to tier four, you need three in tier three.
I mean come on, it's really not that hard to understand.

Right... well I thought that was the case but then reread your post thoroughly and thought otherwise.

You can't really play out a full scenario with just 10 characters, but it's not as bad as I thought

[Xela]

As the newcomer to the sea of forum posts, I figured I'd drop in to say hello!

Welcome!

If you'd spare me a few moments of your time, I have a couple questions I'd like to ask:
1) Approximately how large is this game exactly?  I was skimming this General Thread for an answer but, it's rather inflated and full of what appears to be a mix of brainstorming and updates (275 is far too much to read through with my time constraints).
2) What are the general recommended/minimum system requirements? I'm not exactly running an optimal high-end system so, it'd be nice to know.

1) The game itself is about 450 MB but it's useless in that state (without a single character). Characters are somewhere from 4 mb (bare minimum) to +/- 20 GB (all of our and WM packs combined).

2) It's a 2D Sim Game, so not very high. Rest depends... I think 1 Ghz single core with 512 MB Ram will run the game but to enjoy it you will prolly need 1 GB of Ram and Dual core at least. Screen with at least 1280x800 is preferred but once again, not required.

On a side-note, I'd like to commend you all for in your consistent dedication towards this project of you've all put together!

Kewl

To be perfectly honest, from what I've skimmed through, you've all managed to get me rather motivated to help despite me never having played the game yet!  If it turns out that my toaster can't run the game I'll be slightly disappointed...
Also, if you're still on the lookout for a writer, I'll happily contribute my modest English literary capabilities to the cause.  That is, unless the actual 'playing' of the game is required (in which case the toaster will have the final say).

You could start by downloading: http://www.renpy.org/latest.html

Then try running it, there will be a simple game there and a tutorial (where you can view engines capabilities). If that works for you, PyTFall will as well, although, loading process may take a while on older machines.

[Dusk]

Thanks for the warm welcome.  Honestly wasn't expecting such a prompt response!

I'll check out the renpy thing tomorrow or the day after my final.  Hopefully I'll manage without much adversity.

[livingforever]

Hi!

You can't really play out a full scenario with just 10 characters

That actually is intentional. Here's why:
The game already has enough progression, mostly linear. Adding another linear progression system (in form of ranks) therefore is only a very small gain.
What I suggested doesn't only provide an interesting form of progression, it also provides a goal that incentivizes expanding your business constantly.
Have fun!

[Xela]

I still don't like limiting gameplay options. I look at pytfall as a free open world. What you suggested is valid for a game that has a good, limited concept. How about we compomise, players gets to have one girl of each rank for free and then limitations apply?

[livingforever]

How about we compomise, players gets to have one girl of each rank for free and then limitations apply?

So we basically just round up the minimum amount instead of rounding it down. Seems reasonable.
Have fun!

[MrKlaus]

Names, anyone?

 Prostitute
 

• Whore
• Hooker
• Courtesan
• Escort
• Madam

My proposition :

• Fallen woman / Loose woman
• Bimbo
• Whore
• Courtesan
• Madam

Or mix the two groups into your liking.

Warrior
 

• Thug
• Mercenary
• Warrior
• Valkyrie – switch to Veteran (Valkyrie, somehow is to ‘strong’ for this kind of description in my opinion)
• Legend

Stripper
 

• Stripper
• Lap dancer
• Erotic dancer
• Ecdysiast
• Burlesque queen

Service Girl
 

• Wench
• Servant
• Maid
• Chambermaid
• Housekeeper

[Dusk]

 If you're still looking for names, and if this is still being implemented, here are my recommendations (in bold font)

Prostitute

• Whore
• Harlot
• Courtesan
• Escort
• Madam

Warrior

• Thug
• Mercenary
• Sword Sister
• War Maiden
• Valkyrie

Stripper

• Stripper
• Lap dancer
• Seductress
• Ecdysiast
• Temptress

Service Girl

• Wench
• Servant
• Maid
• Chambermaid
• Housekeeper

[livingforever]

Thanks for the suggestions, I edited the post, but nothing is set in stone.
Have fun!

[Xela]

We don't really need ranks for prostitutes our setup is from the original SimBro and it's both sound and a bit nostalgic for those who played the very first versions of games like PyTFall (SimBrothel, SlaveMaker and Hentai Highschool by the original author (Poolka)).

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        WRANKS = OrderedDict()
        WRANKS["1"]=dict(name=('Rank 1: Kirimise', '(Almost beggar)'), price=0),
        WRANKS["2"]=dict(iname=("Rank 2: Heya-Mochi", "(Low-class prostitute)"), skills={"sex": 100}, price=1000, exp=10000),
        WRANKS["3"]=dict(name=("Rank 3: Zashiki-Mochi", "(Middle-class Prostitute"), skills={"sex": 300}, price=3000, exp=25000),
        WRANKS["4"]=dict(name=("Rank 4: Tsuke-Mawashi", "(Courtesan)"), skills={"sex": 600}, price=5000, exp=50000),
        WRANKS["5"]=dict(name=("Rank 5: Chûsan", "(Famous)"), skills={"sex": 1000, "refinement": 100}, price=7500, exp=100000),
        WRANKS["6"]=dict(name=("Rank 6: Yobidashi", "(High-Class Courtesan)"), skills={"sex": 1250, "refinement": 150}, price=10000, exp=250000),
        WRANKS["7"]=dict(name=("Rank 7: Koshi", "(Nation famous)"), skills={"sex": 1500, "refinement": 500}, price=25000, exp=400000),
        WRANKS["8"]=dict(name=("Rank 8: Tayu", "(Legendary)"), skills={"sex": 3000, "refinement": 800}, price=50000, exp=800000)

[DarkTl]

I still don't like limiting gameplay options. I look at pytfall as a free open world.

It's not really about limiting, more like emulating real life. You can't have 10 top managers if you have 10 employers at all, no matter how good they are.
Someone has to do the job.

[Xela]

It's not really about limiting, more like emulating real life. You can't have 10 top managers if you have 10 employers at all, no matter how good they are.
Someone has to do the job.

At what rank according to you does a prostitute become a manager instead of player? Didn't I already mention a story where a madam in California ran a ring for super rich with a limited amount of girls all of whom were former models/actress? Girls allegedly brought in 30 - 75 000 USD a week, which is more than street hookers make in an year. There are different approaches to business, currently game is perfectly playable with 10 or perhaps even 5 characters, I see no reason to shut that down.

If player wishes to invest in items and training for a limited amount of characters properly mircomanaging them instead of playing a game with 250 on semi-auto mode just managing the general picture by hiring/buying new workers, I see no reason to prevent that. Actually that's how I usually play... it would suck to end up with a game one of the authors can't enjoy

[DarkTl]

Ok, let's put it another way. You can't hire 10 leading programmers while making a software or 10 leading artists while making a movie. Unless it's an indie software or movie, where they voluntarily do everything that should be done because they want to.

I don't recall such a story btw. But I bet they don't waste their time on poor customers, meaning they have plenty of wealthy ones, meaning they have high reputation, great skills and perhaps some unique features.
So unless you have all the same in the game, your best bet is to hire more girls.

[livingforever]

Hi!

We don't really need ranks for prostitutes our setup is from the original SimBro and it's both sound and a bit nostalgic for those who played the very first versions of games like PyTFall (SimBrothel, SlaveMaker and Hentai Highschool by the original author (Poolka)).

Ah, that old issue again. Just because other brothel sims did it doesn't mean you should and it also doesn't mean that what they did is good.
But, since you brought it up - here are problems with the old rank names:

• Almost beggar: Not even related to prostitution, it could be anything at all.
• Low-class, middle-class, high-class prostitute: The exact same rank three times with three different social classes? The social class doesn't have anything to do with the prostitute's rank, does it?
• Famous, nation famous, legendary: These describe fame or reputation, not the rank.

So 7 out of 8 names are fundamentally flawed. Great.


On the topic of the new rank concept, I do agree with DarkTI, but I can also see Xela's point so I think the compromise that he suggested...

players gets to have one girl of each rank for free and then limitations apply?

... is a good way to solve this.
Have fun!

[Xela]

No respect for origin, heritage or history at all 

*Meow...