Improving Barmaid

[Jacko]

Sometimes have sex with other guys for money or not. I think it should be a rare event, dependent on stats like morality/nymphomaniac/libido/tiredness and whether the girl loves you or not. [all the sex pics]

[crazy]

Okay ideals have slowed down and I have plenty to work with I want to move on to the next thing. 
So what I want to talk about now is Barmaids in the bar not the club.  The bar is what I like to think of as a safe zone and by that I mean they won't be any sex events added to the bar jobs.  So what Im asking is for ways to improve this job and/or any events you can come up with for it.  Event are like the text type things that appear and are random and most of the time based off traits or stats.  Easiest example I can give is this one.  If a girl has a beauty stat of over 85 there is a change she will get an extra tip.  And it will say  "Stunned by her beauty a patron left a great tip."

Some of them are way more complicated then that but Im not trying to go over one like that just tell me how u would like it to go and I'll try and make it work if I like it.  So you could just say something like have a meek girl get bullied into letting a patron walk out without paying which lowers her pay and makes her dislike the job some.  I would understand and be able to make an event for that.  Providing text would help but I have a few people who write for me that might could do that or I can provide simple text for it.

Now for what I plan for the job.  Once the farm gets going with different types of beers and such the barmaid will serve them.  If you don't have beer you wont be able to serve people.  Getting customers drunk might lower there standers and make them buy a whore they normally wouldn't buy.  So having beer and a good barmaid would help u make more money off ur whores.  Beer could be bought but making it urself would be much cheaper.

[Marquis]

One of the things I liked about EX was that non-whore jobs were more integrated. EX maybe went overboard on this, but I support improving the non-sex jobs.


One way could be to have it impact Customer Happiness as a multiplier. A good shift by the Bartender/Waitress might have a +25% impact, a failure might yield -10%. The events could reflect that: "Bartender A listened to her customers attentively and they enjoyed their visit." "Waitress B spilled some drinks on a customer and he left unhappy." "Waitress C spilled a drink, but apologized profusely. The customer was distracted by her <Abnormally Large Boobs> and forgave her." In the Strip club, the waitress might give oral sex to apologize.


The Singer/Piano player might also affect Customer Happiness, and might have an impact on Brothel Reputation as well. They might also work like Advertising in attracting customers.
Perhaps adjust number of customers downward, so it would be very hard to get enough customers for a brothel with almost all whores and no support jobs. "Singer D's performance attracted X customers tonight and improved <brothel name>'s reputation" 

[0nymous]

Okay ideals have slowed down and I have plenty to work with I want to move on to the next thing. 
So what I want to talk about now is Barmaids in the bar not the club.  The bar is what I like to think of as a safe zone and by that I mean they won't be any sex events added to the bar jobs.  So what Im asking is for ways to improve this job and/or any events you can come up with for it.  Event are like the text type things that appear and are random and most of the time based off traits or stats.  Easiest example I can give is this one.  If a girl has a beauty stat of over 85 there is a change she will get an extra tip.  And it will say  "Stunned by her beauty a patron left a great tip."

Some of them are way more complicated then that but Im not trying to go over one like that just tell me how u would like it to go and I'll try and make it work if I like it.  So you could just say something like have a meek girl get bullied into letting a patron walk out without paying which lowers her pay and makes her dislike the job some.  I would understand and be able to make an event for that.  Providing text would help but I have a few people who write for me that might could do that or I can provide simple text for it.

About these events, can we write some related to new stats, like Refinement and Dignity?
Example event: if a girl has low dignity she can deliberately drop something in front of the client and give him an eyefull of her ass picking it up, earning a tip.
Stuff like that.

I understand we are to PM you these written events?

One of the things I liked about EX was that non-whore jobs were more integrated. EX maybe went overboard on this, but I support improving the non-sex jobs.

I think non-sex jobs basically need some work done so there's more incentive for them to become a viable option.
Right now there's not much point to them - brothel whores earn more money through a minimally different impact on happiness/tiredness than barmaids/waitresses.
Sex jobs need to drain the girl of something non-sex jobs won't. This could mean the new Lust stat I've proposed, that could strain the girl when it's both in high negatives and positives.

[crazy]

I understand we are to PM you these written events?

PM them is fine or just post them here either one is fine

[crazy]

About these events, can we write some related to new stats, like Refinement and Dignity?
Example event: if a girl has low dignity she can deliberately drop something in front of the client and give him an eyefull of her ass picking it up, earning a tip.
Stuff like that.

Yeah you can. 

[Grampagohan]

The escort jobs in the bars could be for very high paying clients. Paying out at least 5 times as much, but the girl will only get clients if she is pretty enough and have enough charisma. The more of each the higher the payout.

Girls who are intelligent enough can get their clients drunk and make them pay even more. If they are dumd the client can get away with paying less

[crazy]

The escort jobs in the bars could be for very high paying clients.

Escort is the furthest from done job in the game..  I was just testing stuff when it got released as an actually usable job.  Aevojoey fixed it up and has made it a useable job but its far from done.  Im still working on planning it all out but basically it will go something like this.  Girl arrives for the job and if she is super late she may get rejected.  If she doesn't the person will look her over see if she is pretty enough and wearing decent enough clothes for his needs.  If not again she is rejected.  If she gets rejected she dont get paid.  Anyway then they go out somewhere.  A party to dinner something.  While there she has to hold his interest and  fit his needs.  A noble wouldn't want a aggressive hoe at his party so he would send her away he would want someone elegant or something.  After its all said and done the person may decide they want sex or not.  Then they work out if she will have sex and what kind of sex.

Pretty much how I want it to go.  Going be super hard to code.  Lots of things to write and work out so really don't expect it any time soon.

[crazy]

Really hate to get back on free time again but going ask for some thoughts.  I'm current coding on free time and its not near done as I want there to be a crazy amount of stuff to do but one thing Im wondering is should girls be allowed to have sex in there free time or not?  Already decide virgins will not be allowed to.  Lets take this one thing Im working on and see what everyone thinks.

Okay the girl is a Nymphomaniac she goes to the movies and ends up watching a porno.  Which she likes as she loves sex.  But lets say her libido is high so she starts to masturbate and a guy notices it.  He approaches her for sex.  It will then check to see if she is a virgin if so she refuses if not she might consider it.  If her libido isn't like 100 and she is in love with you she will refuse.  If her libido is 100 and she loves you she will accept any way her lust getting the better of her.  But if she doesn't love you and her libido is like say 75 she will accept.

This is just one example of something that could happen.  As you can see it would take into account lots of different things so this event happening would be different for most girls.  Do we want things like that or should sex be left for jobs only?

[0nymous]

Really hate to get back on free time again but going ask for some thoughts.  I'm current coding on free time and its not near done as I want there to be a crazy amount of stuff to do but one thing Im wondering is should girls be allowed to have sex in there free time or not?  Already decide virgins will not be allowed to.  Lets take this one thing Im working on and see what everyone thinks.

Okay the girl is a Nymphomaniac she goes to the movies and ends up watching a porno.  Which she likes as she loves sex.  But lets say her libido is high so she starts to masturbate and a guy notices it.  He approaches her for sex.  It will then check to see if she is a virgin if so she refuses if not she might consider it.  If her libido isn't like 100 and she is in love with you she will refuse.  If her libido is 100 and she loves you she will accept any way her lust getting the better of her.  But if she doesn't love you and her libido is like say 75 she will accept.

This is just one example of something that could happen.  As you can see it would take into account lots of different things so this event happening would be different for most girls.  Do we want things like that or should sex be left for jobs only?

Well, since right now there is no real detrimental effects to the "Nymphomaniac" trait or libido at all, I'd say this might add some spice to it.  It would be something negative to consider when you have the girl trained to be a slutbucket.
Some option to forbid girls from doing it at all when they're slaves would be still a nice touch. That would mean implementing the yes' and nos control system though I assume.
There's also the case of adding an option to be sure your personal bedwarmers/waifus/whatever aren't slutting around when you're not looking.

[CaptC]

If it bothers you that a particular girl might screw someone other than you, a solution already exists. Don't give her any free time.

[Romanul]

Some option to forbid girls from doing it at all when they're slaves would be still a nice touch.

I second that.

As far as free girls are concerned, it makes sense for them to have sex in their spare time. It would be ironic for them to stay clean while whoring at your brothel and get AIDS during their spare time but that's life.

[Torajidi]

Sex during Free Time wouldn't make sense in some contexts. If a girl got, say, beaten to near-death exploring the catacombs, then it would be strange if she went out and had sex almost immediately after. It might have to be based on multiple stats, something like...

Libido > 75
Health > 90
Tiredness < 10

...and then it'd have a chance to happen. There'd probably be some other requirements if the end goal is ~realism~, but that's probably the one that stands out the most to me.

I'd personally like a Rest job if all these changes are going to be made to Free Time. Rest could be just the "raising health, lowering tiredness" function of Free Time. That way, there would still be a completely safe recovery option for people who just want a girl to not die, and Free Time could be expanded with as many random events (negative or positive) as anyone wants.

[crazy]

I'd personally like a Rest job if all these changes are going to be made to Free Time. Rest could be just the "raising health, lowering tiredness" function of Free Time. That way, there would still be a completely safe recovery option for people who just want a girl to not die, and Free Time could be expanded with as many random events (negative or positive) as anyone wants.

Well thing is some of these events will help her get more rested or gain more health.  While none of them are bad right now as I agree they shouldn't be able to get hurt or something on free time.  I had some ideals that would have had a chance for a girl to get hurt but I know for sure they won't be making it in game anytime soon.  One of them might just become a new job.  But back on subject if a girl is to tired she can't do any of these things..  Forgot to add if she was to hurt but will do that also.

[aevojoey]

I'd personally like a Rest job if all these changes are going to be made to Free Time. Rest could be just the "raising health, lowering tiredness" function of Free Time. That way, there would still be a completely safe recovery option for people who just want a girl to not die, and Free Time could be expanded with as many random events (negative or positive) as anyone wants.

That would probably be the best way to go.
Giving the girl "Free Time" is not the same as giving the girl "Rest Time".
On her "Free Time", she is free to do as she pleases.
On her "Rest Time", she is ordered to rest and recover.


You could also send her to the Clinic to "Get Healing" and she will be ready for work the next turn.