Playstation 3 game suggestions?

[Lorde]

Okay, this is getting out of hand.

Maybe last night around 8 oclock it did. But if you want to bring it all back for no reason a day later, be my guest.

[sgb]

I'll agree with your group c customer base, forgot about them.  I have a friend exactly like that.  I showed him Resident Evil 5 on the PC and he loved it.  He's not poor by any means, but did he got out and buy it?  No, he downloads it and tries to jump through Hamanchi and registry hoops to try to get multiplayer working with me.

Happy Karma ending, he got a virus for his troubles.  Should have paid the $30, cheapass.

[Lorde]

Happy Karma ending, he got a virus for his troubles.  Should have paid the $30, cheapass.

Agreed. Also, loading up Trojans with pirated software is becoming an increasingly common practice. Makes you wonder if this is a form of "Fan based copy protection". 

[LordJerle]

Agreed. Also, loading up Trojans with pirated software is becoming an increasingly common practice. Makes you wonder if this is a form of "Fan based copy protection".

They've been loading pirated software full of trojans since file sharing became popular, it didn't work so well over MIRC, but when napster first came around, the whole thing became a booming business.  Many of them were software companies trying to get personal information to sue with, a lot of others were dumb kids being bored.  Either way, it's a prevalent practice, which is why you always check the comments when you download a torrent

[Lorde]

They've been loading pirated software full of trojans since file sharing became popular, it didn't work so well over MIRC, but when napster first came around, the whole thing became a booming business.  Many of them were software companies trying to get personal information to sue with, a lot of others were dumb kids being bored.  Either way, it's a prevalent practice, which is why you always check the comments when you download a torrent

I don't remember it ever being this bad though. Well Kaza sucked ass but that's why everyone used e-mule.  And I might be wrong but wasn't Napster mp3 only? or did that change before they where shut down? and I never used MIRC for file sharing. Did use Usenet though and that was very safe (relatively speaking of course) thanks to strong peer review... Unless you where in some asshole end of alt.binaries.thefuckareyoudoinghere

Today though, it's just out of control. At least that's what It looks like to me. Never remember it this bad.

And reading comments doesn't help much.

<poster 1> My virus scan told me the keygen is a trojan.
<poster 2> Oh don't worry, keygens do change things on your computer so they can be falsely detected as viruses
<poster 3> It's true
<poster 1> Shit I just got a virus from this.
<poster 4> Stop lying you RIAA shill.

...reads the typical comment log on pirate bay. 

About the only "safe" torrents out there come from forums. And even then you shouldn't download anything from someone with low post counts.

[Mehzerz]

Dead Rising 2 doesn't come out for a while unfortunately. :/ Mafia 2 looks good though. Spiderman is looking good as well... better wait for the reviews on that one though.

[LordJerle]

I don't remember it ever being this bad though. Well Kaza sucked ass but that's why everyone used e-mule.  And I might be wrong but wasn't Napster mp3 only? or did that change before they where shut down? and I never used MIRC for file sharing. Did use Usenet though and that was very safe (relatively speaking of course) thanks to strong peer review... Unless you where in some asshole end of alt.binaries.thefuckareyoudoinghere

Today though, it's just out of control. At least that's what It looks like to me. Never remember it this bad.

And reading comments doesn't help much.

<poster 1> My virus scan told me the keygen is a trojan.
<poster 2> Oh don't worry, keygens do change things on your computer so they can be falsely detected as viruses
<poster 3> It's true
<poster 1> Shit I just got a virus from this.
<poster 4> Stop lying you RIAA shill.

...reads the typical comment log on pirate bay. 

About the only "safe" torrents out there come from forums. And even then you shouldn't download anything from someone with low post counts.

True, and some "keygens" are actually injectors that patch the executables so you can play without a disk, but if you look through the comments enough, you see which ones are bullshit and which ones aren't, and sites like btjunkie allow the users to flag the torrents good, bad, virus, blah blah blah.

[DocClox]

The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high.

Robert Walpole and Adam Smith figured this bit out three hundred years ago. At the time, english trade was subject to swingeing duty, and as a result smuggling was rife, the penalties were high and the occupation of "exise man" was the most hated in the nation. Walpole massively cut the duties and smuggling died down to near nothing, almost overnight. The wasn't enough profit in it compared to the risks. Meanwhile the country's revenues rose because now people were actually paying the duty.

I think the situation is the same for games. If the price point was right, very few would be interested in risking malware and/or prosecution just to save a few pennies. And if the numbers downloading dropped, a lot of crackers would probably look elsewhere for their fix of social validation.

The problem is only made worse by the variable the quality of the games. There are too many expensive turkeys that make it to release.  Spending fifty quid on a game is essentially gambling that you'll get more entertainment from some overhyped sequel than you might get spending the money down the local pub, for instance.  A great many people don't see that as a smart bet any more, and so they look elsewhere for what they want.

Of course, the problem isn't helped by groups like PPG who make entertaining games and give them away, thus further lowing people's price expectations. But I see that as a good thing, myself

[fixet]

Okay, this is getting out of hand.
Why don't you two take the whole debate outside and solve it the good old way.
Oh wait. you can't. Because if you could we wouldn't have this conversation in the first place. But its always nice to see people making total douches out of themselves over the internet.

oh, lord, the irony

all I said is that "humans" will not always choose the free option
I mean, people donated to this game/necno/ppg, when they had no obligation to do so, nor anything to gain

it's like gabe said, if you provide quality service and products, you will earn money, you can't blame people for not wanting to pay for crap work

[Lorde]

Dead Rising 2 doesn't come out for a while unfortunately. :/ Mafia 2 looks good though. Spiderman is looking good as well... better wait for the reviews on that one though.

The 3 big ones on the 360 I'm waiting for are Fallout: New Vegas, Dead space 2 and Fable 3. Two of those will most definitely be on the PS3. And the last... I keep telling myself I hate Peter Molyneux and the Fable series... But I keep playing the damn things so they must appeal to me on some level.

True, and some "keygens" are actually injectors that patch the executables so you can play without a disk, but if you look through the comments enough, you see which ones are bullshit and which ones aren't, and sites like btjunkie allow the users to flag the torrents good, bad, virus, blah blah blah.

Still Don't trust torrent sites Though. Unless what I am looking for is not an executable of course. Otherwise, if it's not on Demonoid or Hongfire I won't download it.

The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high.

I can go into a rant about how EA is fleecing the public with everything from game sales to DLC Shenanigans. But I won't. 

oh, lord, the irony

If we agree on anything, it would be this.

all I said is that "humans" will not always choose the free option
I mean, people donated to this game/necno/ppg, when they had no obligation to do so, nor anything to gain

it's like gabe said, if you provide quality service and products, you will earn money, you can't blame people for not wanting to pay for crap work

Alright, fare enough. However let me submit that there are just as many, if not more people who download from this site and don't give so much as a thank you.

In the interest of "Lets just stop", I'll pull back my "People will always chose the "free" option if there is little consequence" To "a lot of people".  That should be a sufficiently vague quantity that there should not be any more arguments. 

[Mehzerz]

EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games. The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely considering it.


Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas, monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.


How many games do you think are ending up like that? I'm pretty positive most of them are. We're going to hit a point where it's no longer the games that look pretty that are the big sellers, and it's going to be the small simple looking games with tons of gameplay and re-playability that sell so well.


Oh and yeah the only reason I hate Molyneux is because he hypes his games to an extreme that they never amount to. He claims the things you can do are only limited by your imagination but that's simply not the case. I enjoyed both Fable games but they're nothing like he hyped them to be.

[fixet]

well, you COULD imagine you're playing a better game where you can do more stuff, you only have your limited mind to blame for your failure to do so, pete has nothing to do with it

and my dorfs laugh at silly console graphics

[Lorde]

EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games. The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely considering it.

Yeah EA will do just about anything to squeeze more money out of a sale. See the last two Bioware games. (Mass Effect 2's Cerberus network promised a ton, and delivered a pittance. They didn't wait very long to go right to MS point downloads after they figured they squeezed enough money out of the used game sales.)

Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas, monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.

This was also partially because the built a brand new engine (White engine?) specifically for ff13 with the hopes to use it for 14 as well. I don't know the exact quote. But it was stated, by a Squeenix rep, that this was probably a mistake and they should have gone with the unreal engine to cut back on production time and add more content. So 15 looks to be using Ureal engine 3. (Someone correct or confirm this.)

How many games do you think are ending up like that? I'm pretty positive most of them are. We're going to hit a point where it's no longer the games that look pretty that are the big sellers, and it's going to be the small simple looking games with tons of gameplay and re-playability that sell so well.

The fact that I saw this happen to the Mass Effect series may just prove you right. The thing is, a lot of us can still say "I still loved the game" I still Loved Mass effect 2 even though it's inventory system was striped down and it's XP system was a joke. And I still loved FF13 even though it was basically a 20-30 hour long movie. It's when we, as consumers stop saying that, that we will see changes.

Oh and yeah the only reason I hate Molyneux is because he hypes his games to an extreme that they never amount to. He claims the things you can do are only limited by your imagination but that's simply not the case. I enjoyed both Fable games but they're nothing like he hyped them to be.

It could just be that Molyneux's Imagination is that limited. 

[sgb]

The big problem with piracy is that the games are priced too damn high

Indeed.  I have no problem shelling out $50-60 for a good RTS or strategy game that I know I will get hundreds of hours on gameplay from.  However for just about any other genre I will wait for a price drop or buy used.  As you say, the big problem is when you get some 5 hour long action game or shooter that is a piss-poor value for money, or the game just flat out sucks.  I've noticed the review industry as of late is so paid off it is almost worthless.  When was the last time you say a big-name title score less than an 80 from a 'major' review publication?  There's no way for consumers to tell other than word of mouth these days, and even then you have to do some digging to filter out the fanboys and idiots.  It's kind of sad that in the information age we live in, big corporations have already figured out how to make this information as muddled and unrelaible as possible.

EA is talking about giving multiplayer a fee for some of their games.   The biggest reason this has been suggested is due to CoD: Modern Warfare   being the highest played online shooter and still is. They know people   will pay money to play the game online and so they're definitely   considering it.

Only partially the reason.  The other reason is that EA is on a crusade to quash the second-hand games market.  They essentially want to start having product keys for console games so that if you buy a used copy, you will have to buy a new key from them to play online.  Mark my words, within 5 years console games will become like PC games and be completely tied to an account and the secondary market will die off.  Of course, by doing this the fools are opening a pandoras box and there will be a new age of console piracy that will make them wish for the PC piracy numbers.

Truth is, everyone is pushing for bigger and better graphics. Graphics   are expensive, and everyone wants the best looking game. So gameplay   suffers because of it. Prime example here is FFXIII the ideas behind   FFXIII were much much bigger, but they had to drop several areas,   monsters, features and mini games to release the game on time. So what   we have is basically an RPG on rails. Is it a bad game? No, of course   not... but it's a barren version of what was intended.

I don't buy the 'rushed to release' excuse for AAA title games.  If something is going to be your company's flagship product for the next year or so, then you spend the extra couple months on it if you need to.  They have the money to soak up a couple more months of development, but money can't buy back the disgruntled customers who have forever lost confidence in your company due to a shoddy product.  How many people are going to avoid FFXIII-versus like the plague now thanks for FFXIII's medoicrity?  Good companies release games 'when they're ready'.  Why do people snap up Blizzard and first-party Valve titles without thinking?  Because they don't put arbitrary release dates on their games for the sake of pleasing shareholders.  There's no concern that, say, Diablo 3 will suck because Blizzard doesn't rush things out the door to make some early sales.
 

[Lorde]

Only partially the reason.  The other reason is that EA is on a crusade to quash the second-hand games market.  They essentially want to start having product keys for console games so that if you buy a used copy, you will have to buy a new key from them to play online.  Mark my words, within 5 years console games will become like PC games and be completely tied to an account and the secondary market will die off.  Of course, by doing this the fools are opening a pandoras box and there will be a new age of console piracy that will make them wish for the PC piracy numbers.

^ This. It is going to bite them in the ass big time.