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Offline sgb

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Values of various traits
« on: December 08, 2009, 12:13:29 AM »
Could one of the devs provide a list of how much the actual looks bonus from various traits give?  I was testing a few things today and noticed a few characters I made had absurb looks values compared to other characters.  My starting charisma and beauty values are generally fairly consistant, so I assume there is a trait or two giving a huge bonus.  I've tested a few of them, but I have so many characters it's kind of annoying.  Great Figure and Big Boobs aren't very large; I suspect Elegant or Charismatic is the one way out of whack.  I'm posting here because it's not really a balance issue, it's just a FYI so I can balance my characters better.
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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 12:27:37 AM »
Give me a few minutes, will have a list of traits and stats.

edit-- here it is, a quick run down of the format. The number to the left of the stat or skill is how much the stat or skill is increased. Negative numbers decrease the stat or skill.  If you see
Code: [Select]
trait a

trait b
    stat,value
that means trait a does not modify the stats.  I hope this helps

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Good Kisser

    libido,2
    confidence,2
    charisma,2
    service,5

Retarded

    confidence,-20
    spirit,-20
    intelligence,-50
    confidence,-40

Malformed

    confidence,-20
    spirit,-20
    intelligence,-10
    beauty,-20

Long Legs

    beauty,10

Perky Nipples
   
    beauty,5

Puffy Nipples
   
    beauty,5

Charismatic

    charisma,100
    beauty,10

Charming

    charisma,60
    beauty,15

Construct


Half-Construct

     constitution, 20
     combat, 20

Fragile


Tough


Fleet of Foot

     agility, 50

Dependant

     spirit, -30
     obedience, 90

Pessimist

     spirit, -60

Optimist


Iron Will

     pcfear, -60
     spirit, 60
     obedience, -90

Fearless

    pcfear,-200
     spirit, 30

Merciless

     combat, 20

Manly

     constitution, 10
     confidence, 10
     obedience, -10
     spirit, 10

Mind Fucked

     confidence, -50
     obedience, 100
     spirit, -50

Meek

     confidence, -20
     obedience, 20
     spirit, -20

Tsundere

     confidence, 20
     obedience, -20

Yandere

     spirit, 20

Lesbian

     lesbian, 40

Masochist

    bdsm, 50
    constitution, 50
    obedience,30

Sadistic

    bdsm, 20

Broken Will

    spirit,-100
    obedience,100

Nymphomaniac

    libido,20
    confidence,5
    charisma,5
    constitution,5

Elegant

    charisma,10
    confidence,5

Fake orgasm expert

    anal,2
    bdsm,2
    normalsex,2
    beastiality,2
    group,2
    lesbian,2

Sexy Air

    charisma,5
    beauty,10
    confidence,2

Big Boobs

    beauty,10
    constitution,5
    agility,-5
    charisma,2

Small Boobs

    agility,5
    charisma,5

Abnormally Large Boobs

    beauty,10
    constitution,10
    agility,-10

Great Arse

    constitution,5
    beauty,5
    charisma,5
    anal,10

Eye Patch

    beauty,-5
    constitution,5

One Eye

    beauty,-20
    charisma,-5
    constitution,5
    spirit,-10

Small Scars

    beauty,-2
    constitution,2
    spirit,-2

Cool Scars

    beauty,2
    constitution,5
    spirit,5
    charisma,2

Horrific Scars

    beauty,-5
    constitution,10
    spirit,-10

Cool Person

    charisma,5
    spirit,10
    confidence,10

Nerd

    confidence,-10

Clumsy

    anal,-10
    bdsm,-10
    normalsex,-10
    beastiality,-10
    group,-10
    lesbian,-10
    confidence,-10

Fast orgasms

    libido,10
    anal,10
    bdsm,10
    normalsex,10
    beastiality,10
    group,10
    lesbian,10
    confidence,10

Slow orgasms

    anal,-2
    bdsm,-2
    normalsex,-2
    beastiality,-2
    group,-2
    lesbian,-2
    confidence,-2

Cute

    charisma,10
    beauty,5

Strong

    combat,10
    confidence,10

Strong Magic

    magic,20
    mana,20

Shroud Addict

    confidence,-5
    confidence,5

Fairy Dust Addict

    confidence,-10
    obedience,5

Viras Blood Addict

    confidence,-15
    obedience,20
    charisma,-10

Aggressive

     combat, 10
     spirit, 10
     confidence, 5

Adventurer

     combat, 10

Assassin

     combat, 15

Lolita

    obedience,5
    charisma,10
    beauty,20

Nervous

    obedience,10
    confidence,-10
   
Great Figure

    charisma,10
    beauty,20
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 12:50:56 AM by delta224 »

Balmung60

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 05:15:34 AM »
thanks, I've been wondering about this too

Offline sgb

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 10:15:53 AM »
Thank you sir.  This will make it a lot easier to avoid accidentally making characters with superhuman stats.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 10:25:56 AM »
If looks is the average of charisma and beauty, Charismatic currently gives +55 looks.

Also, take a look at shroud addict, it gives +5 and -5 to the same stat.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 11:04:30 AM »
Yeah, that's what I was looking for; I knew there was one that was throwing everything waaaaay off.  Looks like I'll take that trait off everyone for now.  Charming is out of whack too, with a net gain of +37.5 to looks.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 11:27:08 AM by sgb »

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 03:36:51 PM »
The net effect of Charismatic will be less (unless starting with Charisma 0), as Charisma and Beauty are averaged after being capped, but it is still grossly overpowered.
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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 06:21:27 PM »
I've modified the coretrait descriptions to reflect these stats.  I didn't write in exact numbers in case they change later, but at least when making characters now you will have a better idea of what the traits are going to do to your stats.  There were also numerous entires that were flat out wrong, like Manly saying -looks when it fact it doesn't do anything to looks.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 06:37:01 PM »
Eventually, if I ever get this gold reworking done, I plan to do a coretraits.xml file. If that happens people will be able to set their own trait values (and to a limited extent, effects).

Don't hold your breath, though: this current task is taking forever.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 06:57:09 PM »
Once that is done, I will have to go in a fix all the little things Doc missed.  No offense, just stating the pattern that seems to come up.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 03:25:29 AM »
Arn't I usually the one who leaves stuff to be fixed ;)
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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 04:04:00 AM »
It's easy done sometimes. Programmers tend to be optimists, at least when it comes to the number of bugs remaining.

For instance I should have stuck to my original plan and given the gold code another week of testing, clearly :)

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 04:19:56 AM »
eh, so long as it gets fixed, I'm fine(kinda) (though going back a version makes all items cost 0 to 20 gold), since, afterall, the config file is pretty sweet (also brings back memories of dicking aroun with WML back in my Wesnoth days), I mean, its not like I don't know how tricky fixing bugs is for even a simple program like back in my compsci class, much less something like this.  I guess what I mean to say is keep up the good work and whatnot.

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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 04:15:19 PM »
There's a reason to do beta releases, and it's to find bugs.  It's much more effective to have programmers programming instead of playtesting.
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Re: Values of various traits
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 06:35:11 PM »
Of course, sometimes the programmers have to playtest to determine where the bug is happening.