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Feedback => New Features => Topic started by: DocClox on July 08, 2010, 08:11:22 AM
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I've started a Google Wave (https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:search,restored:wave:googlewave.com%252Fw%252BKeIAMJaHC)to serve as a mix of todo list, design wiki and development blog. OK, mainly it's an excuse to play with Wave and see if it's worth using for anything.
OK, this could be useful. It's a bit of a carry on to get access, though:
- register for google wave
- note the email address you are given by wave ([email protected])
- PM me with that email asking to be added to the wave
- I can then add you to the individual waves making up the discussion, and they'll show up in your inbox
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Sorry, I have not been as active as before, I was busy with school, a mental break, and the shin megami tensei games for the ds. Let me get on this thing and see what needs to be done, also look at the bug list as well.
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Let me get on this thing and see what needs to be done, also look at the bug list as well.
Hey man, glad to have you back :)
Feel free to post to the wave if you want. If you can't I'll see if I can figure out how to grant access to the thing.
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and the shin megami tensei games for the ds.
One thing I hate about the DS is that I never know what's coming out (or is out) for it. Definitely gonna have to take a look at these.
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I'm not seeing the wave created, so contact me at the address in my profile.
As for the ds cataloge, that is one thing gamefaqs is good for.
A few notes about the games. Devil survivor is a cross between the persona games and final fantasy tatics but with multiple endings. Strange journey is the successor to the first two megaten games, Shin Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei 2 just the themes toned down slightly for the growing western audience of the games, so expect a first person dungeon crawl with multiple endings based on the alignment of the player.
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As for the ds cataloge, that is one thing gamefaqs is good for.
A few notes about the games. Devil survivor is a cross between the persona games and final fantasy tatics but with multiple endings. Strange journey is the successor to the first two megaten games, Shin Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei 2 just the themes toned down slightly for the growing western audience of the games, so expect a first person dungeon crawl with multiple endings based on the alignment of the player.
Now, when you say toned down, I can't really fathom why they would. They already hit the 3 big nono buttons for western audiences pretty hard with persona 3 and 4. (Suicide, Homosexuality and Teen Sex.) Or is it that they are changing the name of some of the demons? Always wondered why the persona series never caught heat for being able to summon Lucifer of all things. Personally, I hope the series (both megaten and persona) keep flying under the radar. But from what you are saying, It sounds like they are trying to go mainstream and that could very well kill the series for me.
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Always wondered why the persona series never caught heat for being able to summon Lucifer of all things.
Reminds me of my favourite quote from Vertigo series.
"When learning to juggle, it is customary not to start with chainsaws"
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Reminds me of my favourite quote from Vertigo series.
"When learning to juggle, it is customary not to start with chainsaws"
In all fairness, That's not even close to the worst thing you can summon in the game. Mara comes to mind. Which is a Sri Lankan temptation demon that looks like a giant penis.
So yes, the Megaten | Persona series lets you summon a Giant Penis in a wheel chair to do battle for you. It also breathes fire...
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In the first two games, God was the main villian. As in the God of the Bible, YHVH, the almighty and he was evil in those two games. In the second game you could fight and beat him depending on the path you took. That what I was talking about.
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Ah ok makes sense now. One thing I always loved about this series was that it never seemed to pull punches. An Unbiased eastern microscope on western mythos.
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Always wondered why the persona series never caught heat for being able to summon Lucifer of all things.
I think that had something to do with the Streisand Effect; Barbra Streisand sued to have pictures of her house removed from some gallery or another, but instead of keeping it out of the public eye, many thousands more people looked at it to see what the big deal was. Hence, in the digital age, more and more 'concerned parties' just shut up and leave well enough alone.
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In the first two games, God was the main villian. As in the God of the Bible, YHVH, the almighty and he was evil in those two games. In the second game you could fight and beat him depending on the path you took. That what I was talking about.
Yep, Persona on the PSone was heavily altered when it came to America. Persona 2 is actually two games. Innocent Sin and then Eternal Punishment.
Only Eternal Punishment was released since Innocent Sin had some "racy" material. Luckily there's a fan translation if anyone wants to play it. I haven't finished either. :x
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Yep, Persona on the PSone was heavily altered when it came to America. Persona 2 is actually two games. Innocent Sin and then Eternal Punishment.
Only Eternal Punishment was released since Innocent Sin had some "racy" material. Luckily there's a fan translation if anyone wants to play it. I haven't finished either. :x
Actually Delta is talking about the first two games of the Shin Megami Tensei series, not the Persona series. SMT is the main series and everything else (Persona, Devil Summoner, Nocturn, Digital Devil Saga, etc.) are spin offs.
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Yep, Persona on the PSone was heavily altered when it came to America. Persona 2 is actually two games. Innocent Sin and then Eternal Punishment.
Only Eternal Punishment was released since Innocent Sin had some "racy" material. Luckily there's a fan translation if anyone wants to play it. I haven't finished either. :x
what is considered "racy" by persona series and Atlus
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what is considered "racy" by persona series and Atlus
The only thing I can remember off the top of my head is the the villains were trying to resurrect Hitler. There also might have been something about it being anti-religion, but I'm sure about that.
EDIT:
Apparently, there was a bit of Ho Yay (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HoYay) as well.
NO export for you (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoExportForYou)
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Yeah, Now that I think About it, Persona came out on the ps1 in the days before "Barret's Shit storm" Which is what I like to call all the cursing in ff7. That was a real turning point for console gaming.
And I'll have to look up the persona 2 fan translation. since that's one of the few games I haven't played from the series.
My point is still sorta valid for persona 3 and 4 though.
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Yeah, I forget what religion the bad guy is from in 3 but in 4 it's the Japanese gods for life and death.
And yes, revival of Hitler, potential gay relationship, few other things I believe. But at the time it was definitely too "taboo" for the US ESRB.
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P3 was Nyx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyx), a Greek goddess and as Wikipedia puts it the primordial goddess of the night.
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Wandering back on topic for a moment, there doesn't seem to be a way to make this Wave thing public yet. Anyone who wants to get at it, PM me with an email address and I'll add you to the wave contacts page, which should do it.
If you don't want to use your email addy, register for the wave and you'll get a google one :)
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OK, I think I've got this wave thing under control now. It's a bit of a faff to get access though.
- register for google wave
- note the email address you are given by wave ([email protected])
- PM me with that email asking to be added to the wave
- I can then add you to the individual waves making up the discussion, and they'll show up in your inbox
It's also possible to do this with non-googlewave addresses, but I've not tried that yet.
Kudo to Crazy for helping me sort this out.
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If we don't have one... a development wiki would be cool to have as well.
(Coming from someone who doesn't have a wave account)
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That's more or less what I'm using the wave for.
Sign up and send me your account id and you can see for yourself.
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So is wave taking over for the message boards?
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So is wave taking over for the message boards?
Well, hopefully it's going to be complimentary.
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Seems more like a place for Doc to keep notes and development progress. The boards kind of mirror that to an extent... the only thing you miss out in wave (that I can think of off hand) is some of the development ideas going into clone master and a more specific look at some other ideas for WM. Other than that, they do really go hand in hand.
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I just read that Google intends to close down Wave by the end of the year. It might be a good idea to check if it's true or not and start looking for alternatives if it is.
( I found the news on the online version of an italian newspaper here's the link if you feel to check it out
http://www.corriere.it/economia/10_agosto_05/chiude-google-wave_d9a9361c-a07b-11df-bc17-00144f02aabe.shtml
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Seems to be true alright.
My friends from a RPG forum were complainign about it.
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Linky of relevance. (http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2010/08/google-wave-closing-down/60963/)
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That's a bit of a shame. I think they might have got the uptake they were looking for in another year or so. Still, it's not without it's problems, I have to admit.
I'll have to look for a new home for my design and dev notes. The PPG forum is the obvious choice, although I'll miss the indented lists. Probably need a clonemaster subforum if that's doable. I might cast around for some sort of wiki as well.
Oh well, no immediate rush, I suppose...
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http://www.savegooglewave.com