Dear God Australia is scary

[necno]

I'm much less concerned about the Internet censorship now, they call it a "mandatory Internet filtering" but I just found out that ISPs are not required to offer the service, but they must always offer an unfiltered service. Much less worried now..... and confused as to the whole point of it as it really will change nothing unless all ISPs jump on board so that they can just extra for unfiltered services . 

[Wispowill]

I've been wondering for some time whether to suggest making the loli content seperate from the main. Here in Virginia, USA, a man went to jail for his manga collection. (Not to be confused with an earlier case where someone had actual child porn as well as manga.) The lawyer argued that manga art wasn't real therefore no one was affected. The judge decided that the manga had "an appearance" of underage porn and therefore was  punishable by law. I am not a fan of loli stuff, but have to think that using "an appearance of" as a standard seems to open up the law to potential abuse.

[exodia91]

I would have appealed to a higher court, since I believe the Supreme Court ruled that the ban on lolicon violates the constitution. Fucking backwards biased judges.

[fires_flair]

well it's like that in canada too. if the person looks under 18 it's considered child porn, even if you know she's over 18, including manga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors

[trex]

Sending people to jail because they looked at a CARTOON that APPEARED to be under 18? Great to see the courts have their priorities in order.

[Zeus]

mh... my last known about the law in Germany whit this Things is: Cartoon is Art, and in Art nearby everything is allowed ^^'' 
we got other problems (Politikans who will just badge a big fucking "STOPP"-Sign on (rl-)Childpon Sites. A Blocker thats totaly Simply to ignore... they don't whant Delete the sites o_O because:"The Server are not in germany and in other Countrys, Like India it might be okay to fuck a Child" srsly... it is not! they just need a reason to get the wa free for the Censorship on the Internet ... the fist screamed for Censoring First Person Shooter pages, or other pages that be, in my eyes, are hamless >-<)
mh... okay ^^ i'm getting Offtopic i think...


fact: Lolicon in germany is in a little grey zone. Because it is "just" Art.


(sorry for this post ^^ just woke up... and don't want use Google translator o_O...)

[Kyuubil]

Heh had to sign up just to say this:


bold for emphasis:

CHECK THE SOURCES.

I uh, am currently an 'op' in the Sankakucomplex irc channel, because we had to run artefact (the site owner) out, he was banning everyone who said anything bad about his articles, and the banlist was approaching 90 people in two months


He makes roughly $10,000 USD a month off of the site ads; probably more now that he's sold out to funimation -- He does, and i've got logs of him saying this -- Purposely change the facts and use misleading post titles to increase the shock value, the more people who flock to his site from his sensationalist journalism the morem oney he gets, in addition to outright mistranslating japanese articles because he knows no one can read them


So yes, do not trust any article you see on sankaku complex without first checking the source material; and DEFINITELY do not make game decisions without doing so.

[exodia91]

While Indeed he certainly exaggerated in some parts, I Checked the sources and essentially it is correct. And Kyu, I'm not really surprised, CNN and major newsgroups do essentially the same thing and have been for decades, its nothing new. They misinterpret, exaggerate, and outright lie whenever it suits them. So I'd advise always check the sources on anything, be it newspaper,TV, or blog. Take everything with a grain of salt people.

[kyross]

oh grate like crap internet and my job being under payed  wasn't enough of a reason to move overseas now this

[Sleeper]

Doesnt anyone think of the children? Ive got an answer to that. Pedophiles think of the children.
Im sure that in this mad world, they will get a majority on some senate or parliament somewhere, by campaigning for family values....

[LordJerle]

Doesnt anyone think of the children? Ive got an answer to that. Pedophiles think of the children.
Im sure that in this mad world, they will get a majority on some senate or parliament somewhere, by campaigning for family values....

You mean the ones kissing hands and shaking babies?

[adrian24]

what's next, outlawing sex?


what's the name of that sylvester stallone flick where, in the future, you get tickets for swearing and stuff?

And Arnold Schwarzenneger becomes U.S. President. The way things are going on this planet, it's a rising possibility. 

[adrian24]

I've been wondering for some time whether to suggest making the loli content seperate from the main. Here in Virginia, USA, a man went to jail for his manga collection. (Not to be confused with an earlier case where someone had actual child porn as well as manga.) The lawyer argued that manga art wasn't real therefore no one was affected. The judge decided that the manga had "an appearance" of underage porn and therefore was  punishable by law. I am not a fan of loli stuff, but have to think that using "an appearance of" as a standard seems to open up the law to potential abuse.

Great! So I go down for murder, if I make "an appearance" of killing someone. However, when I get out I can kill that person in front of hundreds of witnesses and go free because of "double jeopardy".    Guys, isn't judicial system just great? 

[fixet]

that's not how it works

if you rob a bank, serve your time and get out, then rob the same bank again, you're going to get convicted again
if you get convicted for attempt of murder, get out, and attempt to murder the same guy again, you're serving time again

the system is in place to prevent abuse of law, i.e. sending a person to court for the same crime over and over until he gets convicted
the situation that seems to be confusing you is that, in case when you get falsely convicted for murder, and the victim is actually alive, once you get out of prison you are theoretically free to kill him/her, as you'd already paid the price for committing the act
and I've never heard of such a thing outside of movies

also, fuck your shit, arnold is awesome

[TF]

If you were convicted of a murder you didn't commit, released, and then *actually* killed the person you were supposed to have murdered, you could absolutely be put on trial again. The first conviction would be overturned because evidence would clearly show you to be not guilty, but the murder the second case revolves around is a separate crime from the first and thus not covered by double jeopardy. It might not even be the same charge, considering you might have been put away for a lesser degree of murder, or even manslaughter, while the second time would clearly be premeditated and thus first-degree murder. The fact that you were falsely incarcerated the first time might be considered a mitigating circumstance, however, and lead to a reduced or commuted sentence.