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Offline Drugas

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2014, 10:17:13 AM »
Actually it is entirely fear-mongering. It's like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater when someone just lit their seat on fire. That shit is fire man, best to just get the hell away from it.

Those involved with the actual creation of this have said free and clear that they do not condone or support it. The Original devs have long since disavowed themselves of this entire section for the most part. The hosts of the site have a right to weigh in as well, but so far nobody that counts have said "Get rid of this".

His creation is a Mod, and your or my personal tastes aren't justification to tell him he can't do it. 


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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2014, 09:40:17 PM »
Maybe it's because I skipped this debate, but I have a different take on it than some do. The way I see it someone started off pointlessly aggressive and offensive ("demonstrates severe mental health issue"?) then got offended when that offended others so they doubled down instead of backing off. You can find plenty of that without my listing them one by one, "scared rats" and others were plentiful, and all of it seems to be over what amounts to nothing.

I didn't see anyone saying that YOU can't create the mod you want, what I see is more them saying that they won't and responding to the insults about them. As it happens I'm an expert of sorts not on the question here but on the prison system as a whole, mostly as it relates to the drug war. The accusation "You're adopting a very 'Westro-centric' view" was made but I think the problem is more the reverse. Do you have any idea what it's like to live in the, without a doubt, most imprisoned nation in the world? More of our own people behind bars than any other nation in the world, both in raw terms and per capita? To be working on a game like this with the news full of firsts such as the one about the author, just text, or the ones about that game "Rapelay" which has had serious legal questions? The areas the laws cover keep expanding into things that a decade ago everyone knew was safe and if people living in or culturally near to the single most imprisoned nation in the world, both per capita and in raw terms, if those people happen to be a bit nervous I think it's a bit understandable. So they don't have a dozen examples of this particular case, but they DO have a trend of firsts, people who thought they were safe and are now either in trouble or in prison. Reason enough for concern I'd think, certainly in this nation.

Now if you had simply said "my nation is more safe for this type of thing, if yours is too here ya go" I doubt anyone would have argued a great deal. But to suggest that EVERYONE should have your preferred version regardless of their comfort with it, to toss out things like mental health and cowadice accusations, personally I'm surprised they were as polite with you as they were. You were a bit of an asshole I think. That's ok, I'm one too. My only argument tends to be I'm not that kind of an asshole.
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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2014, 12:27:41 PM »
Now if you had simply said "my nation is more safe for this type of thing, if yours is too here ya go" I doubt anyone would have argued a great deal.
He'd probably have not gotten anywhere near the amount of flak he did if he'd just posted the link and said what it was.  Like "This sets the minimum age to X.  It doesn't change the ages of the girls, only allows them to be younger if you want to set them that low." 
 
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You were a bit of an asshole I think.
*Looks at current version of OP*  A bit?  That's practically begging for people to jump on him; I'd call him a troll, but I think he's too stupid.

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2014, 12:47:17 PM »
The Original devs have long since disavowed themselves of this entire section for the most part. The hosts of the site have a right to weigh in as well, but so far nobody that counts have said "Get rid of this".


If you haven't noticed the Original devs and even the guy who hosts this are hardly active members of the on going community, it doesn't mean we shouldnt respect there wishes.


You can do what ever you want with the source code for you amusement but when it counter acts the original devs decisions you should be posting on your own site.

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2014, 02:02:11 PM »

If you haven't noticed the Original devs and even the guy who hosts this are hardly active members of the on going community, it doesn't mean we shouldnt respect there wishes.


You can do what ever you want with the source code for you amusement but when it counter acts the original devs decisions you should be posting on your own site.

so NOW it's not about "legal" problems, it's about respecting wishes of Original devs.

Original devs thought there are "legal problems". if in fact there aren't, then they were wrong. their wishes were based on a wrong idea.

respecting that kind of wish doesn't make any sense to me

Offline Drugas

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2014, 02:52:56 PM »
(ODs aren't active anyway)
(Legal Problems vs OD wishes)

Actually, it's about respecting the rights of the site owners and board administrators to control content on this site.
They have that right precisely because of the legal issues.

But if THEY don't say "get rid of this" or exercise their tools to do it themselves, you don't really have a right to do it yourself. The fact they are inactive doesn't matter so much, unless there is a topic specifically stating "Don't do this" already. I don't see any.

However, in the other thread, Crazy mod main, when the OP was asked to take his mod to it's own space, they had a right to do so then. And the OP did. So everyone is currently keeping in what they are allowed to do, until someone who has standing in the issue weighs in otherwise.

Not knocking anyone verbally coming out against this mod or for it, I'm just saying that the rules gotta be followed. Particularly when there is a legal thorny issue that some people may not wish to be part of in the event of a "TOT Crusader" (Think of the children ruminating user actively diarrheating english restrictions.) {You gotta admit, that's a good one. ;) }

Offline Maggot Propelled Corpse

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2014, 04:33:31 PM »
so NOW it's not about "legal" problems, it's about respecting wishes of Original devs.

Original devs thought there are "legal problems". if in fact there aren't, then they were wrong. their wishes were based on a wrong idea.

respecting that kind of wish doesn't make any sense to me

Let's keep this real simple. The original developers haven't said a word here, what anyone speculates they'd think is beside the point unless and untill they do say something for themselves, which they haven't. That's the first point.

Second, as far as I've seen nobody, from developer on down, has said that mods of whatever type can't be developed. Opinions on if they are suitable, would be welcome, and so on sure, but who and where has anyone posted "not allowed, remove it" or anything of the sort? I don't remember seeing it. Again, opinions aren't commands and they don't hurt you.

Sp we're down to third, and as far as I can tell the core of this debate and the only thing that needs debated here. With nobody having actually said they can't, with nobody (let alone anyone with the power to do so) having tried to kick them or their post off the board, we're down to the last issue.

The issue doesn't seem to be that anyone is forcing others to live or act in a way that they don't want to. The main issue seems to be that the OP can't make others act as they want to. If you act or want different you're mentally deficient, a coward, and all kinds of things besides, right?

On edit and just in case others could use a smile as well, you do have to admit that there is real irony in starting a thread, the first statement out of your mouth, with " laughable, and demonstrates severe mental health issues", following it with misplaced and repeated strawman accusations and other things already mentioned, then ending up with in the last post a sad but haunting lament. Let's see if I can get this quote right.... oh yeah here it is. He was concerned that something "has changed the friendly and open climate we're supposed to have as gamers".

It's so sad/bad it's good, in a Monty Python sort of way I guess. It's easier to keep that "friendly and open climate" when we don't start off with attacks and insults you know. When you say it that's just an honest opinion, but when they do it's an insult? Nope. Works the same from both ends and if you set the tone of the thread you can't exactly complain about the tone of the thread, can you? Could have said "oops, I was a bit emotional there, wasn't I?" at any time, still could I'd think. They don't seem the type to hold grudges here as far as I can tell.
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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2014, 02:25:05 PM »
This forum does not have any rules at all, so we have to rely on common sense. There is no rule against spammers, yet we delete their stuff and ban them.

If anything happens, we will blame active moderators  :D

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2014, 08:06:05 PM »
uuuhhhh... common sense... risky. i often feel it´s out of stock on some persons, a lot of times.  ;D

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2014, 02:40:58 AM »
I stopped responding to this thread and his other posts on this topic when it devolved into trolling.
I will end it with this and let the matter go:

We are not telling you "You can not do it." we are telling you "If you choose to do it, we want no part of it."

I say this as a final warning note:

If you are arrested for this, You can not plead anything but guilty.
You have been thoroughly informed as to the possible legality of the age 18 restrictions for this kind of content.
If you plead not guilty, this entire thread can be used as evidence of you being warned that it may be illegal, yet you still continued.


Good luck in your life, and good night.
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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2014, 04:26:23 PM »
If you are arrested for this, You can not plead anything but guilty.
You have been thoroughly informed as to the possible legality of the age 18 restrictions for this kind of content.
If you plead not guilty, this entire thread can be used as evidence of you being warned that it may be illegal, yet you still continued.

That's as stupid as fear mongering notes can get. Since when did not knowing the law served as a way to get away with crimes?

What me and a couple of sane people here (God forbid) have been arguing is that throughout most of the world there are no laws criminalizing this, which follows that the default setting should be letting users set their own limits according to their jurisdiction or beliefs. What's so difficult to understand here? Are you so narrow minded that you can't imagine people with different social norms and political systems other than yours?

By the way aevoJoey, in my jurisdiction it's illegal to scratch one's ass, so don't you ever dare scratch your ass or face the consequences. You've been warned. This post serves as evidence, so don't play stupid now. It's all laid out clearly there's no way out. I'm repeating it for you so you can't claim you never read it: DON'T SCRATCH YOUR ASS. Now I'm gonna take a screenshot to present in court to prove you knew it's illegal in case you had so much contempt for the law so as to scratch your ass.
(Did that sound stupid? Because that's exactly what your "warning" sounded like)

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2014, 08:09:17 PM »
Since when did not knowing the law served as a way to get away with crimes?
It never has.
However, "knowing the law and still breaking it" is the point here.

in my jurisdiction it's illegal to scratch one's ass, so don't you ever dare scratch your ass or face the consequences. You've been warned. This post serves as evidence, so don't play stupid now. It's all laid out clearly there's no way out. I'm repeating it for you so you can't claim you never read it: DON'T SCRATCH YOUR ASS. Now I'm gonna take a screenshot to present in court to prove you knew it's illegal in case you had so much contempt for the law so as to scratch your ass.
(Did that sound stupid? Because that's exactly what your "warning" sounded like)
Thank you for that information, if I am ever in a jurisdiction where it is illegal to scratch my ass, I shall endeavor not to do so.
In America and much of the rest of the world, it is legal to scratch one's ass.
Without knowing where it is illegal, I have no knowing if that is the law and thus could still be considered ignorant of that law.
Please give a link to that law and a list for what countries it is illegal to scratch one's ass and I shall consider myself informed of that law.

Where I live, it is illegal to show sexual content of persons under age 18, therefor I will not break that law.
If that is legal where you live, there is no one stopping you from taking the source code and changing it yourself.

If the requirement for me to be able to scratch my ass is that I must set one number to be 18 or higher, scratch away.
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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2014, 05:51:22 AM »
What me and a couple of sane people here (God forbid) have been arguing is that throughout most of the world there are no laws criminalizing this, which follows that the default setting should be letting users set their own limits according to their jurisdiction or beliefs. What's so difficult to understand here? Are you so narrow minded that you can't imagine people with different social norms and political systems other than yours?
Just out of curiosity I'd really like to know WHERE you live...for actually 2 purposes...
1st check if your country really isn't applying any child pornographically law and
2nd (more important) to never plan a family vacation in your country as it seems child abuse is perfectly legal over there

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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2014, 10:10:50 AM »
Just out of curiosity I'd really like to know WHERE you live...for actually 2 purposes...
1st check if your country really isn't applying any child pornographically law and
2nd (more important) to never plan a family vacation in your country as it seems child abuse is perfectly legal over there


You're so naive that it's almost cute. You have NO idea what people in popular tourist destinations in Africa and the Middle East do with girls as young as 10 under completely legal, and from their perspective; morally justified as well, circumstances.

Shows you once again how ignorant people of Jesusland are. In fact, you don't have to look far on the map in North America to find ages of consent as low as 13.


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Re: Unrestricted Crazy's mod [No age limits]
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2014, 11:48:40 AM »

You're so naive that it's almost cute. You have NO idea what people in popular tourist destinations in Africa and the Middle East do with girls as young as 10 under completely legal, and from their perspective; morally justified as well, circumstances.

Shows you once again how ignorant people of Jesusland are. In fact, you don't have to look far on the map in North America to find ages of consent as low as 13.
Woah...so now it turns into a religous matter?!
But you know in Arabic nations the child abuse law is even stricter want a proof?
A few years ago a 15 y/o boy was arrested and sentenced in turkey for haveing sex with a 13 y/o girl.
Eastern nations? do you mean Thailand by any chance?
That would actually be a proof of a country with strict child abuse law, however the enforcement is rather lacking or is to hard to widely ensure
Also regardeing the 13 y/o claim maybe only an american can testify that...but from my knowledge a person can only get sexually intemate with such a young mate if he/she is a minor him/herself.
If you think those laws aplly to you I need to question if you are actually legal to visit this page.

and btw 13 years is still far from your coded 3 years so you contradict yourself ...again
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