I don't know how to quote properly (i.e. with the poster's name I'm replying to + timestamp) so bear with me.
From my understanding:
Clumsy is the "god damn I can't believe you fucking broke all this shit again why are you such a failure" kind of trait.
Dojikko is the "awww she just tripped and faceplanted onto the floor isn't she just adorable?" kind of trait.
Ah I see. But there are 2 problems here: One is that this is your personal interpretation, and while I don't dislike that interpretation, deciding to check/uncheck these traits depends on the developer's interpretation since that's what the in-game stat effects depend on. So it would be nice to know what that interpretation is. The other problem is that there still remains the issue of redundancy. By this interpretation, a girl could be clumsy but not dojikko, but a girl could not be dojikko without being clumsy. So by this interpretation, checking Dojikko in the editor should also check Clumsy, and unchecking Clumsy should uncheck Dojikko.
I propose adding a small window that would pop up once you hover over the trait with your mouse cursor, that would describe exactly what technical effects on the stats the trait has.
Same for items.
The text wouldn't even be editable, it would just appear based on the stat/trait modifying data.
Just to avoid the weird "+looks" or "+CHA" in the trait/item descriptions.
I don't know how possible this is to code, however.
I completely agree with this. And I don't think it would be hard to implement at all.
I was suggesting a system exactly about the min/max stat caps you're describing for quite a while now and made a preeeetty big point about this... here: http://www.pinkpetal.org/index.php?topic=1031.msg29712#msg29712
Right, I completely agree with you here as well. Implementing caps would make the game more realistic and give the girls uniqueness. At the moment, which girl you choose for a job only matters in the first few weeks. But after a long period of time, the girls working at the same job all end up about the same. So the game is currently boring and not very immersive. You lose a girl? No problem, just get a random girl on that job and in a few months you won't be able to tell the difference. Unique girls would encourage the player to actually manage...to look out for his most talented/prized girls and make sure they're doing a job befitting their talent, that they're healthy, etc.
They're not. Delicate was my proposition of replacement to Fragile. I think it fits better when describing a woman.
Aevo basically added all traits proposed and kept all the old ones for the sake of keeping the old girl files viable. I imagine this will get sorted out somehow in the future.
Yeah I'm thinking Fragile is an adjective better suited for...uh things you'd put in a box. Items/merchandise and such. So Fragile should just be discarded in favor of Delicate or Dainty.
Wha-no. At least that wasn't my intent when I proposed both of these traits. Uh, actually, to be fair, aevo added a trait named "Brood mother" on his own, and I merely asked for it to be spelled together.
I definitely think there was no intent to make Broodmother furry-exclusive.
I like your reasoning behind "Fragile" and "Delicate" but in the end, they are still synonymous terms.
Yeah the current description in the editor is "Her mighty thick thighs and body are capable of giving birth to children by the dozens." So I don't see how it's furry-exclusive. Still there remains the problem of possible redundancy...
I realize I'm not really in position to argue against this, what with me being responsible for 6 different tit and ass traits, but where do we stop? I believe the most important parts of a woman's body that should be extensively covered by traits in the game of this nature are tits and ass. For the rest, one trait is enough IMO - so one trait for legs, one for hips, one for lips, one for hands, and whatever else body part could be have sexual use. Because, let's face it - any body part of a woman could have that use by an extension, but that sure doesn't mean we need dozens of traits to describe them.
Actually, Tight Butt was meant to be "better" than the traitless ass shape. It was intended as the kind of shape that's not really big, but definitely more quality that most"standard issue" asses. You can Google image "tight butt" itself to roughly get the results of what I mean.
Wide Bottom was never fully intended to include ass only - it refers to hips and thighs as well. I thought it's a bit pointless to make a whole different tier of ladders for thighs and hip sizes, so I just wrote "Wide Bottom" - "bottom" in the name referring to anything below the girl's torso, basically.
I understand you sorted these by an order of size, instead of general quality? I imagined that if ordered by size it would be:
Flat Ass -> (traitless)-> Tight Butt -> Plump Tush -> Deluxe Derriere -> Phat Booty
By quality itself (highest stat bonuses), Deluxe Derriere would be at the very top, however.
I realize the names are ambiguous as hell and there's no real indication of difference in the descriptions of ass shapes and sizes but I did what I thought was most fun.
Mature Body was made for women who look like MILFs but technically aren't ones.
The traits could and should be mutually exclusive. They're basically the same thing - aside from that single, formal technicality of actually giving birth to something.
Broodmother on the other hand is the hyper-emphasis of the MILF trait.
I could see all three becoming a separate tier of their own; based on how much births the woman went through.
0 births with a grown body of a woman ready to breed -> at least one birth complimenting her mature body -> 10 (or maybe a higher threshold?) births that completely altered her body's shape
Mature Body -> MILF -> Broodmother
I understand your concern about too many traits. And while I suppose every body part could have some sexual or non-sexual use, I'm not exactly suggesting "wide nostrils," "innie belly button," or "high forearm-neck circumference ratio"

. I'm trying to keep the physical traits to ones that most players would focus on or that would actually have a significant impact on the jobs the girls are doing. For example, large vs. small hands wouldn't really matter for most straight guys realistically when it comes to sex. Even if it were a handjob, I don't think hand size would have as large an effect on a guy's excitation as the girl's overall figure and face. Something like hand size just wouldn't come into play in this game sexually or otherwise...unless the girl could be a basketball/football player or something lol.
I don't think you'll find anyone arguing that tits and ass aren't central in this game. But, I believe the face is also very important and is usually in the top 5 body parts a straight guy will use to rate a girl's attractiveness: tits, waist, ass, legs, face in varying order depending on the guy (or you could simplify it to figure and face). I don't know for certain, but I'd venture to guess that most straight guys would rather have a girl with a cute face and average tits+waist+ass+legs than a girl with fantastic tits+waist+ass+legs but a masculine/unattractive face. Either way, face should be important enough to include in this game (we should have a poll!).
So, without further ado, this is what I'm thinking currently for physical feature traits:
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Must Haves
Figure type (banana, apple, pear, hourglass, etc...or simply "bad figure," "good figure," "great figure," etc.)
Tits size (Flat, A, B, C, D, DD, etc...or small, big, abnormally big, etc.)
Tits quality (saggy/drooping, shapely, perky, firm are some good adjectives but will take a little more thought to order these...if ordering is necessary at all)
Hips size (boyish/small, big/shapely, childbearing, etc.)
Ass size (same idea)
Ass quality (we can use some of your colorful adjectives here 0nymous)
Leg length (short, long...no need for a lot of traits here...short should negatively impact looks, long is good for looks)
Leg quality (stick-thin, shapely, etc...this trait covers thighs btw)
Facial attractiveness (ugly, pretty, cute, gorgeous, angelic, etc.)
Lip fullness (thin, plump/full, dick-sucking lips, etc.)
Optional
Height (midget, short, tall, abnormally tall, etc.)
Hair length (bald, boyish/short, neck-length, shoulder-length, waist-length, ass-length, etc.)
Eyelash length (short, long...maybe just long. Not a lot needed here.)
Makeup quality (um...not sure but I'm sure someone else can come up with good adjectives)
Perfume quality (same as with makeup)
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Yes, this is a lot of traits compared to where we are now. But, I think it really is necessary to have this many traits to adequately describe a girl physically. Previously, you could have Big Boobs and that would automatically give your girl +looks. But what if those tits are saggy? Well that's what a tits quality trait would cover. The same thing applies to asses: Like you said, it seems you lumped size and quality together for the ass traits. But, is it not possible--or probable enough--to have a saggy ass but a big one?
We can even cut some traits out if someone feels it's too many traits to implement. Figure type is still somewhat redundant with tit, hip, and ass sizes. So either figure type could be discarded, or tit, hip, and ass sizes could collectively be discarded. Height, eyelash length, makeup quality, and perfume quality are pretty important (the latter three would simply be positive modifiers to looks/beauty, while with height being too tall or short would negatively impact looks/beauty), but by no means as important as the ones under "Must Haves." Hair length being short would likely negatively impact looks/beauty but be more advantageous in combat or other athletic activities (won't get in the way)...but again is a relatively minor factor and therefore is optional.
Regardless of how many of the proposed traits are implemented, I disagree 0nymous, with your opinion that two is the minimum number of traits to stick to per category. I actually think three is the magic number. Why? For example, let's take a look at the currently available lip fullness traits. We only have one--Dick-Sucking Lips--thus effectively we have two due to the default no trait being normal lips. This fulfills your requirement. But, this leaves out the other side--Thin Lips, which would, say, negatively impact the quality of a BJ. In general, I think at least both sides of the default should be represented once to be realistic enough (i.e. let's try not to discard a lot of probable cases). The only category in the above list I would only have two traits in would be Eyelash Length, with one being the default lack of trait and the other being "Long Eyelashes."
For translation of traits into in-game stats (assuming quality and size are separate), we could give more weight to quality than size (I think that's realistic anyway). So going back to the saggy boobs example, if Big Boobs gives +1 to looks, then Saggy Boobs would probably need to subtract at least 2 because I think most guys would think that large boobs that are saggy make a girl less physically attractive. Similarly, if say a girl had Small Boobs, giving -1 to looks, but they were Perky Boobs or Firm Boobs, then Perky Boobs or Firm Boobs would add at least 2 to have a positive net effect on a girl's attractiveness. Of course there are issues with subjectivity--some guys find small boobs attractive but big boobs a turnoff for example--but we should aim to please most of the crowd. Pleasing everyone to a significant extent is possible, however, but would most likely require allowing people to config the trait stat effects.
About the Mature Body->MILF->Broodmother thing, yeah I think that's good and should get it's own category.
Sorry for my rambling and lack of organization, but hopefully I got my points across.
tldr;
1. Discard Fragile as it is redundant with Delicate. Thanks for clearing this part up Aevojoey.
2. The answer to "but where do we stop" is "just a little more."
3. Size and quality should be separate. Possible overlap between figure and some sizes so some reduction in traits can be made there.
4. Minimum of two traits other than the default of no trait to cover majority of cases.
5. Mature Body, MILF, Broodmother should be placed together in their own category.
6. How do I insert quotes properly?