Whore Master Patch

[DarkTl]

I see. Well, as soon as you'll release a couple of girls I'll start to modify my packs according to your standards.
Btw, what about unique girls? How many pictures can they have?

[fires_flair]

aving a lot of pictures isn't what makes the game load long, it's having a lot of girls, because the game only loads the pictures as needed, but loads the girls all at once.

[Aika]

Sorry about the long delay, but...

!!! Random girls needed !!!

At this point, I'm down to considering recycling the EX basic random girl packs, but those packs are missing a lot of categories, and has some miscategorizations as far as I'm concerned.

I can make unique girls, but I don't have a large enough... collection... to be able to make random girls effectively. I don't want to release a game without any random girls in it though, so if I can't get any help with random girls, I'll be taking some EX packs and seeing what I can do to compile them into a basic pack for my version.

[Popuri]

Alrighty.  Gonna have a little free time this weekend between exams, I'll put my unique girls on the back burner and put out some randoms.

[DarkTl]

Um, about random girls, should they still have one picture in each category? I don't complain, I just ask because I don't see any reaction to the fires_flair's post.

[Aika]

Here's my view of things. With high sizes of random girls packs, one of two things is going to happen. One, if the game loads all the girls' pictures at the beginning of the game as I believe it does, having a good number of huge random girl packs is going to slow things down at the start.

If the game loads the pictures as needed as DarkTL suggests, having huge random girl packs is going to make the game slow down as you start to have large total numbers of girls. I do know that the game loads in pictures for every instance of a certain girl. Five instances of the same girl with a 10MB picture pack is going to have the game load that 10MB five times, for a total of 50MB loaded into memory. What happens when you have 100 girls, each with 10MB picture packs? The game takes up 1GB of system memory.

In either case, having large picture packs for the random girls isn't a good idea. It's forgiveable for the unique girls, since you only get one of each of them. But for the random girls which should be making up the majority of your brothel girls, it's a poor idea for each of them to be taking up a lot of system memory.

I don't want to argue over this too much, so I'll just say that as long as you're hosting your own random girls packs, you're free to make them as large as you feel is prudent. But in the interest of keeping the game run smoothly, and also in the interest of keeping my download size as low as possible, the random girl packs that will be included with the game will have ONLY one picture in each category.

[Shilo]

If they only allocated and loaded the images as needed, they should also free the memory again when they are no longer needed. Like loading the image data for each girl in a brothel and freeing it again when you switch to another brothel. Same applies to switching to the dungeon or slave market.
Further optimization would include to internally store which random girls are already present and keep a reference to their image data so that they don't need to be reloaded. Or load each random girl image data to a specific place where it's kept as instance and then just redirect to that data when the image for a girl of that archetype should be drawn.

All in theory, of course, and it would probably involve some tedious rewriting of core components of the game.

[Aika]

And that's getting more than a little beyond my level of expertise. Modding the game I can do. Messing with the game engine is something I really want to avoid even trying at this point.

[GonDra]

I call Bullshit on your theories of memory consumption.
In a game with more than 50 girls (randoms and uniques) drawn from a Characters folder of 3,2GB I had to click through turn summary like crazy to get it anywhere near 300.000K (for reference this is roughly 300mb) and that is without optimized images.
The game loads and unloads images just fine.

Also roughly 150.000k are already loaded into memory without employing any girls and without clicking through turn summary like crazy the memory print only went up to ~200.000K with more than 50 girls employed.

[Popuri]

I call Bullshit on your theories of memory consumption.
In a game with more than 50 girls (randoms and uniques) drawn from a Characters folder of 3,2GB I had to click through turn summary like crazy to get it anywhere near 300.000K (for reference this is roughly 300mb) and that is without optimized images.
The game loads and unloads images just fine.

Also roughly 150.000k are already loaded into memory without employing any girls and without clicking through turn summary like crazy the memory print only went up to ~200.000K with more than 50 girls employed.

Maybe Aika is right, maybe you're right.  Either way, there's really no call for cursing at someone over this, GonDra.  If you want to come in and add more girls to the existing ones later, nothing is stopping you.  The limited number of random girl images is just Aika's requirements for any girls that will be in the default release of their version of WM.

[fires_flair]

I would just like to know where the idea came from that every single picture for each girl was loaded at the beginning of the game. which is redicuous, if that was what happened few people would be able to play since it would take many GB to run, and it doesn't.
though the game might store something like the last 5 images used for each girl, but I could be wrong on that.
personally, I won't download any packs that only have one pic per random. I mean to me that just defeats the purpose. if you're going to do that, make them all unique, or just don't have pictures for them, and make them use the default folder, which makes it so that you'd only have profile and sex pics, by how images are coded.
it's repeative enough when random or unique girls have less then 10 pics (and I often delete those), why would I want one where the girls only have one pic.

[drake]

It seems that it needs repeating, the one picture per category is just for the girls bundled into the game download.  Aika didn't say he had anything against posting seperate packs or pack additions (more picks for a pack) for separate download.  Even if it doesn't affect game performance it does keep the main file download small in size.  From my experience it is the number of girl file and number of girls which affect loading time, but other than that I have never noticed issues. 
Keep going Aika, looking forward to playing the game again.

[Ioriya]

I think Aika also said he/she wanted to keep the file size to a minimum.


That was something that he/she emphasized.

[GonDra]

Maybe Aika is right, maybe you're right.  Either way, there's really no call for cursing at someone over this, GonDra.  If you want to come in and add more girls to the existing ones later, nothing is stopping you.  The limited number of random girl images is just Aika's requirements for any girls that will be in the default release of their version of WM.

I am not sure if that didn't come out right but I took the twenty minutes and tried to ramp up the memory consumption through employing a lot of girls and force loading the images so I have some evidence to back my claim up.
I am sorry if I got misunderstood but I didn't curse at him, I tried to say that his theory was blatantly wrong as indicated by the playing experience of almost everyone that downloaded a lot of girls. In retrospect I shouldn't have used such a hard word but I still stand by my point that his theories are obviously false.

Now I am all for reducing initial file size of the download and would actually propose separating game and girls and also reducing the resolution of the pictures to a size fitting for the default game resolution, which should reduce the size of the initial Girl pack by a lot.

[Uriel]

Still can't find out why are you talking about the memoru consumption. I had aroud 7Gb of images once, and did a VERY long run in WM, had around... i dunno... maybe 500 girls. And still had no problems with memory. Yap, WM was working a little slower, but not much really.