I think it would be best for some categories (like ent or sex) to not chose action first and then look for appropriate pic, but to check what pics are there and chose from actions accordingly.
I believe that could really smooth things a lot (at the cost of sacrificing realism a bit).
I was using quest category for "novel" sprites and I would like to retain a separate tag for these, as they are a lot harder to make then just a profile pics without bg. (novel pics can be used in a place of bg-less pic, but not the other way round.)
...and I think I would still prefer a "meeting" tag for profile over forcing bg-less pics.
I don't understand what you mean by not choosing an action first and then look for the appropriate pic. We are not building Skynet here so our game is not that smart, it can only look for what we tell it to look
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Can you give an example?
Ok, than do we want quest to be subtag of profile or tag category in itself? Meeting tag, do you mean like conversation/encounter?
Not main category, more like tag. Some profile pics are more suitable for meeting, some are less, no matter background or place, it's just a quick example.
Yeap well, if CW meant by meeting tag what I think he did, that issue is solved. BTW: That pic of yours has suggested me another two rather important categories! Time of day (morning, day, evening, night) and season (spring, summer, autumn, winter). It might be very important for consistency.
I don't get this one
Well, I am not a big fan of such approach myself, but many people seem to like it. Even amongst decent pics, some are obviously better, some are obviously worse. If we tag with a quality tag, we can have game automatically display better pics only as girl's level increases/quests are completed. Also, it would be very easy to make something like that optional... If lower quality pictures are not available, game will automatically choose better pics. Like I've said, something like this exists in numerous games and I've always spoke against such an approach in Sims, but I thought 'll bring it up so we can kill or implements this right off the bat.
As for tags:
I checked all my girlpacks and these are subtypes of pics that were present in quantity that I consider worthwhile for making texts or actions out of them: (from the viewpoint that all old namebased categories remain)
Good exercise, I'll take look at booru to see what tags we might need. Otherwise... You've had a list of tags we use for the game in your db folder but it's gone now so:
battle_sprite
battle
anal
blowjob <-- might be killed off... in favor of more precise acts?
les
sex <-- might be killed off... in favor of more precise acts? Note: When I got to subtags, it turned out that sex/anal/lesbian as tags are very much required to avoid confusion and other unnecessary tags!
date
datebeach <-- we kill off in favor of date --> location --> tags combination
ent
nude <-- definitely a tag, we already have it
profile <-- category as we're used to them...
profileangry <-- gone as a tag
profilesad <-- gone as a tag
profilehappy <-- gone as a tag
profileneutral <-- gone as a tag
questneutral <-- kill in favor of quest + neutral tags (neutral is called indifferent in the software btw.)
questhappy <-- same as above
questangry <-- same
questsad <-- same
rest <-- tag now... sleep maybe as well? I am not sure, there are some tags like this under actions already
shop <-- we keep as tag, call it shopping?
strip <-- We keep as tag
As for tags:
I checked all my girlpacks and these are subtypes of pics that were present in quantity that I consider worthwhile for making texts or actions out of them: (from the viewpoint that all old namebased categories remain)
she is restrained but alone in pics (just bondage)/someone is visibly doing something with her for bdsm
melee, guns (modern stuff) for combat
titty, blow/hand/foot job for blowjob
lingerie,nekomimi for beauty
sport, cosplay, music for ent
sex, bukkake for group
maid, bunny for maid
taking a nap, bath, reading a book for rest
meeting (clothes and expression that is ok for being outside in public) for profile
So, required tags from your perspective:
- classic weapons
- modern weapons
- sex tags I've covered separately
- lingerie
- neko we have as cat
- maid we have (do you have new tagger? It has like 50 - 70 tags in it by Rudi (some are a bit confusing))
- bunny we already have
- book we have as reading, should simply be combined with rest
- sport (we have exercising, running and fighting, but sport might be a decent addon)
- cosplay (awesome for some random events)
- music we have musician, it might work.
- nap we have resting, meditating, we can add nap if you have pics for it
- bath we have bathing attendant, bathrobe under clothing, bathroom under locations
- meeting (date + profile combo will not work here???)
Other ideas:
- daytime
- season
- partner hidden
- partner visible
- no bg (transparent png with background removed, some categories imply that...)
- simple bg (one tone or plain background)
Yup. Also tri/strap/lick/etc for les and hand/device for mast, if we need that kind of accuracy.
Maybe cooking/eating and drunk tags too.
- I did cover sex acts, we definitely could use those.
- cooking we have this
- eating Nice one! Addon to rest category and rest job as well some possible events.
- drunk Really rare I believe, it could be useful for events... maybe even to display if we add the effect later...
Sex categories we break into:
Foreplay??:
- lick pussy
- lick anus
- caress tits
- lick tits
- hug
- kiss
- strip
BJ Cat most from SM:
- titsjob
- blowjob
- footjob
- handjob
- 69
Solo:
- mastrubation
- dildo
- anal dildo (?)
-
Sex:
- missionary
- doggy (sraight) (without normalsex/sex tag, doggy can be mistaken for anal... maybe we should keep normalsex after all)
- ontop
- onside (research required for a better name I guess)
- standing
- suspended (girl is clinging to the guy, can be a part of standing)
- sitting
Anal:
- doggy
- missionary
- ontop
- spoon (mostly unclear if it's normal or anal, but since anal pics are less common, we can use it this way)
Lesbian:
- cunnilingus (we'll drive modders nuts with spelling errors, maybe "eat pussy" is a better tag)
- tribadism (another bs word they came up with to make it sound more than it is, "scissors" might be a better tag)
- strapon (pussy assumed)
- strapon (anal added as different tag)
- dildo (pussy assumed)
- dildo (anal as different tag)
- dildo joined (pussy assumed)
- dildo joined (anal added as a different tad)
- kiss (naked in bed obviously, les pics are not that common for many girls)
- caress (same as above, could be both at the same time (often are))
Group: Not applicable right now as we don't have the code?
Submission: Same thing as above, do we tag it now or later?
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Link to the software if you don't have it:
Download
ImageTagger_0_2_Windows.7z (8.7 MB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!K4g1DLZZ!eSs7gkzNDWLNm3laJa69WgrK6nA6lcEiiBC_1kipvjEImageTagger_0_2_Linux.7z (11.5 MB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!Lh4WQK6K!H0F0WTqxp2Gk60nQeKFp4gOuKy0Jq4544S0Z2wRMDvYSoftware will not likely get any better logically from this point on and most if not all improvements will be cosmetic and convenience related (what I am saying is that it does exactly what it supposed to and does it well so we can start tagging as soon as we're done with discussions
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Also, Rudi requested that if at all possible, we should use his categories as much as possible so unification and transfer between games is possible, obviously many thing can be straightened out with code though. But most of his tags are useful, although, I have many objections to style... it should be more generic if used for multiple games but we can straighten most of that out by simply changing the layout and keeping most of the tags as they are.
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Anyway... your thoughts...
Still to decide:
- Do we try to tag images for slave-training and dungeon NOW or when we have them?
- Final version on all tag categories.
- Layout discussion (making software PyTFall friendly)
- Final layout discussion
btw:
We forgot about pregnancy...